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To: Cronos

“I don’t see baby baptisms. A baptism must be a personal choice, or it is a bath.

Not necessarily. Scripture does record that “entire households” were baptised. I’ll grant you that it doesn’t explicitly say babies were baptised, but then it doesn’t explicitly say they weren’t...”

I’d say you’re reaching there. every documented baptism was done after the personal understood what they were doing and why before they got wet. my pastor made sure I knew what I was doing before dunking me under. And my current church goes over the “what for and why is” before baptisms.

Christianity is personal choice and understanding, not mysterious ritual. You can’t force another, and it would mean nothing. A baby does not understand or consent to what is happening.


454 posted on 07/05/2012 8:14:10 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan
"every documented baptism was done after the personal understood what they were doing and why before they got wet. " --> not necessarily. it doesn't explicitly say that all in the "households" did that.

Secondly, Acts 2:39 states about Baptism that "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him"

As Christ said that no one can enter heaven unless he has been born again of water and the Holy Spirit (John 3:5) he also said "Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, ‘Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God’" (Luke 18:15–16).

463 posted on 07/06/2012 12:44:03 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: LevinFan
Also note col 2:11-12 In whom also you are circumcised with circumcision not made by hand, in despoiling of the body of the flesh, but in the circumcision of Christ: [12] Buried with him in baptism, in whom also you are risen again by the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him up from the dead. -- baptism has replaced circumcision.

Circumcision was and is given to infants and later there is the bar-mitzah. Similarly baptism and confirmation is separated in orthodoxy

464 posted on 07/06/2012 12:45:32 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: LevinFan
also your statement every documented baptism was done after the personal understood what they were doing and why before they got is incorrect -- The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was baptized that night along with his household. We are told that "the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family" (Acts 16:33)

There is no indication that all his family did not include infants or even that all of the family fully understood in one hour what they were doing and why before they got baptised.

465 posted on 07/06/2012 12:47:14 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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