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To: Petrosius

“The issue is not the use of witches but the ability of the dead to hear the pleas of the living. Scriptures says they can. No witches are involved.”

I’m not aware of any Scriptures that say the dead hear the pleas of the living... or any command that we should seek their assistance.


37 posted on 07/03/2012 7:56:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I’m not aware of any Scriptures that say the dead hear the pleas of the living...

Samuel was dead; Saul was alive.

39 posted on 07/03/2012 8:09:33 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"I’m not aware of any Scriptures that say the dead hear the pleas of the living"

Hi. As Catholics, we do not view Christians in heaven as "dead" simply because their earthly bodies have perished. That said, in Rev 5:8 the elders in heaven intercede for Christians on earth. In Rev 8:3 angels offer the prayers of Christians. In Rev 6:10 we are told that the martyrs in heaven are aware of things on earth. In Lk 15:7,10 Jesus tells us that there is joy in heaven over the repentant sinner, another reference that saints (holy persons in heaven, if you prefer) are aware of things on earth. And in verse 10 Jesus confirms this about angels too. Paul also indicates the angels are aware of happenings on earth, as he charges Timothy to be obedient in the presence of the elect angels (1 Tim 5:21). While I'm not a believer in proof texting, I do believe there are ample verses to support the Catholic view that angels and saints are aware of events on earth. You are, of course, free to disagree.

68 posted on 07/03/2012 11:04:39 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot (Obamacare is taxation without representation courtesy of the British subject in the White House.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I’m not aware of any Scriptures that say the dead hear the pleas of the living... or any command that we should seek their assistance.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Now you can say with full confidence that you are familiar with at least one verse.

78 posted on 07/04/2012 4:09:49 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader believes in home schooling....Think about it.)
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