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To: PieterCasparzen; Alex Murphy
The point of this article is the foundations of out Republic were first put forth in Geneva.

Those principles took a few centuries to fully develop.

The fact is that any nastiness conducted by the leaders of Geneva were learned from Rome, who had mastered the art of persecution quite well during the Middle Ages. Can anyone say Inquisition?

140 posted on 07/12/2012 6:50:16 AM PDT by Gamecock (I worked out with a dumbbell yesterday and I feel vigorous!)
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To: Gamecock
The point of this article is the foundations of out Republic were first put forth in Geneva.

Largely. Of course, influences on their thoughts goes back in time from there. William of Ockham questioned Papal infallibility in the 1300's. Though William's influence on science is quite astounding, of course, secular school texts make no mention of the fact that he was a theologian, robbing students of a true picture of his works. All theologians stand on intellectual shoulders who have gone before them. This is what is fascinating about the Reformation, IMHO, it arguably spanned from at least as early as around the 1200's to the 1600-1700's. Also - there were numerous influential contemporaries from around the time of Calvin, of course, and the "Calvinism" label . Certainly, however, Calvin's elucidation of Biblical doctrine was a definitive stepping stone on the progression towards America. The Reformed doctrinal view of Scripture and the Geneva Bible were what was brought to America by the Pilgrims and, for several decades, ships of more Reformed settlers from Holland, France, Scotland, etc. Documentation of these passages is available online if one searches a bit; they did happen and they were mostly filled with Reformed Christians. The unscriptural Christmas and Easter holidays were largely unobserved in those early years in America, since the only holy days observed were the 52 Lord's days every year. Of course, some people today are of the belief that about all the Pilgrims and Puritans did every day was burn witches, but actually most of this "history" comes from the influence of the 1952 Arthur Miller play, "The Crucible", which has done a lot to spread false ideas throughout our secular humanist educational system and culture; it's been made into several films and shows (obviously not the place to go when seeking correct Biblical doctrine). In truth, it has grossly distorted many people's view of that time in history as well as Biblical doctrine.

The fact is that any nastiness conducted by the leaders of Geneva were learned from Rome

Ideas of criminal justice - in general - were much more strict than they are today. This is why, IMHO, we need to put on our 1500's glasses on if we are to think about burning at the stake, torture, etc. Some points in that regard:


141 posted on 07/13/2012 12:54:50 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Gamecock; PieterCasparzen
The point of this article is the foundations of out Republic were first put forth in Geneva. and that premise is wrong. The foundations of the Republic were clearly based on Graeco-Roman republicanism -- hence even the term Senate.

Calvin's police state was not a foundation of the US, neither was Cromwell's dictatorship

150 posted on 07/13/2012 1:39:57 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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