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To: greyfoxx39

I’m going to save your responses in the event I ever need a good example of irrational religious bias.

I firmly believe that Romney’s religion will impact his decision making as president in the same way JFK’s Catholicism affected his decision making, i.e., not at all.

I can find no example from Romney’s term as governor that Mormonism influenced his administration. Can you? If you can’t, why? According to your thesis, such influence should be obvious, apparent and plentiful. Where is it?


177 posted on 07/11/2012 12:08:25 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: muir_redwoods
I firmly believe that Romney’s religion will impact his decision making as president in the same way JFK’s Catholicism affected his decision making, i.e., not at all.

It's nice to see a rational voice.

188 posted on 07/11/2012 12:43:23 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: muir_redwoods
I’m going to save your responses in the event I ever need a good example of irrational religious bias.

Your post sounds kind of personal..again.

Please explain why you call my posts an "irrational religious bias". Irrationally does not enter into the factual information that I have posted, in fact, IMO it seems a little irrational that if you find it disturbing you wouldn't just ignore it.

That said, please go through my "saved" posts and illustrate the items that you can refute, with source links please.

In the meantime on the subject of "irrationality", you might want to ponder on whether Mitt would disclaim the following given his stance that he stands behind his deep belief in mormonism.

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Those who say that in this country one's religion should be relegated to his private life alone and never be allowed to "intrude" on his public activities should study the Founding Fathers. This nation has a spiritual foundation. Its wellsprings are themselves religious. Its life is deeply rooted in faith.

When I became President of the Twelve and Spencer W. Kimball became President of the Church, we met, just the two of us, every week after our Thursday meetings in the temple, just to be sure that things were properly coordinated between the Twelve and the First Presidency. After one of those first meetings, we talked about the many sacred documents in some of the older temples. St. George was mentioned in particular because St. George is our oldest temple in Utah. I had a stake conference down there about that time, and it was agreed that I would go into the archives -- the walk-in vault -- of that great temple and review the sacred documents that were there. We were planning for the remodeling and renovating of the St. George Temple and thought that the records might possibly be moved to Salt Lake for safekeeping. And there in the St. George Temple I saw what I had always hoped and prayed that someday I would see. Ever since I returned as a humble missionary and first learned that the Founding Fathers had appeared in that temple, I wanted to see the record. And I saw the record. They did appear to Wilford Woodruff twice and asked why the work hadn't been done for them. They had founded this country and the Constitution of this land, and they had been true to those principles. Later the work was done for them.

In the archives of the temple, I saw in a book, in bold handwriting, the names of the Founding Fathers and others, including Columbus and other great Americans, for whom the work had been done in the house of the Lord. This is all one great program on both sides of the veil. We are fortunate to be engaged in it on this side of the veil. I think the Lord expects us to take an active part in preserving the Constitution and our freedom.

The Founding Fathers of this nation, those great men, appeared within those sacred walls of the St. George Temple and had their vicarious work done for them. President Wilford Woodruff spoke of it in these words: "Before I left St. George, the spirits of the dead gathered around me, wanting to know why we did not redeem them. Said they, `You have had the use of the Endowment House for a number of years, and yet nothing has ever been done for us. We laid the foundation of the government you now enjoy, and we never apostatized from it, but we remained true to it and were faithful to God.'"

After he became President of the Church, President Wilford Woodruff declared that "those men who laid the foundation of this American government were the best spirits the God of heaven could find on the face of the earth. They were choice spirits [and] were inspired of the Lord."

The temple work for the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence and other Founding Fathers has been done. All these appeared to Wilford Woodruff when he was president of the St. George Temple. President George Washington was ordained a high priest at that time. You will also be interested to know that, according to Wilford Woodruff's journal, John Wesley, Benjamin Franklin, and Christopher Columbus were also ordained high priests at that time. When one casts doubt about the character of these noble sons of God, I believe he or she will have to answer to the God of heaven for it. Yes, with Lincoln I say: "To add brightness to the sun or glory to the name of Washington is . . . impossible. Let none attempt it. In solemn awe pronounce the name and in its deathless splendor, leave it shining on."

Source: Benson, Ezra Taft, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson. Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988. 602 - 604.

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Ezra Taft Benson was the thirteenth president (Prophet) of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1985 until his death and was United States Secretary of Agriculture for both terms of the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower.

This fable was recorded more recently in 1989 in the LDS Church News

197 posted on 07/11/2012 1:08:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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