Posted on 07/11/2012 6:23:41 AM PDT by NYer
An Illinois priest forced out of his parish by Belleville's Catholic bishop for improvising prayers during Mass will no longer be able to preach in public as of today.
The Rev. William Rowe said Monday that Bishop Edward Braxton has suspended him and removed his "faculties," or license to practice ministry under church law. The move has been associated in recent years with the punishment of clergy accused of sexually abusing minors.
Rowe, the pastor of St. Mary Catholic Church in Mount Carmel, Ill., has not been accused of abuse, but he has clashed with Braxton over altering the liturgical prayers of the Roman Missal — the book of prayers, chants and responses used during Mass.
Last month, St. Mary's parishioners learned that Braxton had officially removed Rowe, their pastor of 18 years. But a separate letter from Braxton recently informed Rowe, 72, that not only would he have to leave the church, but that he could not preach in public anywhere.
Rowe said he could no longer celebrate public Masses or preside at weddings, funerals or baptisms. The only exception, Rowe said, involves a dying person; he can still hear a confession, baptize or anoint that person.
Rowe was scheduled to witness a wedding Saturday — and four others over the summer — but won't be able to preside. He also will not be able to preside over a funeral Wednesday for an elderly St. Mary's parishioner.
"That's very hard for the family," Rowe said. "I'll be there, but I can't participate."
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2 Thessalonians 2:15
“So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.”
Jesus rebuked Jews, not Christians for standing firm in their traditions. Paul’s quote above shows that Christian traditions should be held.
What a bunch or Hooey, seriously do you expect anyone that has ever been into a Catholic church to believe this?
For those that have never been into a Catholic Church, when the Priest, servers and readers process into the Church, the reader (Which spunkets claims to be) Carries a copy of the Lectionary. This contains all of the readings for the year. The Catholic Church is on a three year cycle. If you attend daily Mass you will hear almost the entire Bible.
In addition most sacristies have at least one Bible and the priest will either have his divine liturgy of the hours or a Bible in the confessional.
Some thing else that is down right hilarious about spunketts comments is that the claim used to be that the Catholics chained the Bible down so that no one but the priest could read it. Disregarding the fact that Bible were so expensive because they were hand copied.
I have to side with my Catholic brethren on this one. You should FReepmail verga or NYer with details of this incident or detract. I argue against Catholicism on a theological/Biblical basis and nothing else. They are fine people. Your story strains credulity and ,although possible, is so abnormal it seems improbable.
Paul’s quote above shows that Christian traditions should be held.
Paul is dead. I cannot hear it from him by mouth. I will hear it from him by letter. I choose the Word of God over the commandments of men.
Yeah, whatever...
"For those that have never been into a Catholic Church, when the Priest, servers and readers process into the Church, the reader (Which spunkets claims to be) Carries a copy of the Lectionary. This contains all of the readings for the year. "
A Lectionary is not a Bible, nor does it approximate a Bible.
"The Catholic Church is on a three year cycle. If you attend daily Mass you will hear almost the entire Bible."
A subset of selected readings, however cycled are not the Bible.
"In addition most sacristies have at least one Bible and the priest will either have his divine liturgy of the hours or a Bible in the confessional."
A divine litergy of the hours os not the Bible. There might be a Bible in Father's car too, nevertheless, it's not present, or at hand during the Mass.
"Some thing else that is down right hilarious about spunketts comments is that the claim used to be that the Catholics chained the Bible down so that no one but the priest could read it. Disregarding the fact that Bible were so expensive because they were hand copied."
Irrelevant.
Vain repetition? Are you kidding? How many times hae you said the Lord's Prayer (rounded to the nearest hundred?)
That’s right, bipolar. What do them apostles and church fathers know? Pastor Bob’s winging HAS to be better... it’s *heartfelt*!
(Of course, the real goal would be to conform one’s heart with that of Christ’s so that the prayers of the His Church would be the most perfect expression of his heart.)
Open is good.
"details of this incident or detract."
What I said is the truth.
"I argue against Catholicism on a theological/Biblical basis and nothing else. They are fine people."
Irrelevant. There is no Bible present at their Mass. Lecitonaries are not Bibles and they don't resemble Bibles.
So he disagrees with the message that the Church is conveying in the prayers from the missal? Is that what I'm reading here?
I don't keep track of such things. I say it when I feel compelled to do so. When you incorporate a ritual on a regular recognizable basis then it loses its spontaneity. It is expected. It is repeated. And you go to the next thing. It loses meaning over time. I can see the allure to rituals. It makes one feel comfortable. But that was NOT the style of Jesus. He confronted and challenged their cherished beliefs.
Christ is the Rock that the church is built on, not Peter.
Alrighty then. We shall await with bated breath for all of the damning details to come out.
Yet it was the Catholic Church that tells us which scripture was inspired by God. You accept that even though it is a Tradition of men passed down from the Apostles to disciples and others over centuries.
So you accept the Word of God in the Bible AND you accept the Word of God passed down by commandments of men in the form of Its Table of Contents?
Bob you and I have disgreed on numerous topics numerous times, and I want you to know that I do appreciate you stepping up on this one.
Not even close tot he truth. As Bob said just waiting for the details to come out. I am betting they will be as much whole cloth and your original claim.
Not even close to the truth. As Bob said just waiting for the details to come out. I am betting they will be as much whole cloth and your original claim.
We still get used to new/old translation NYER at my church
BTW did you hear Katie Holmes is back with Cathoic church kinda of
Nobody thought that was was what Jesus was referring to until some “enlightened” people came up with that idea in the past few hundred years. Find one historical reference to one sect/denomination anytime that believed what you are saying in relation to Matthew 16:18-20. It is made up and a fabrication.
God works in mysterious ways. -)
There’s always at least two bibles in a Catholic Church, and I believe this is according to Canon Law. One bible must be placed on the altar during mass. Another is to be presented to the congregation. The grain of truth is that catholics do not, however, as a rule bring their own bibles; they typically use a missal, or missalette to follow along with the prayers or readings.
Of course, the great irony here is that the formal prayers of the mass are composed nearly entirely of biblical quotations, even if the missals don’t point out the chapter and verse that they come from. So while most prayers of most “bible churches” are just off the top of the head of the pastor, the prayers of the Catholic Church are the ancient prayers selected by the apostles and Church Fathers from the bible, itself.
Does it matter? I followed a girl I liked once to a bible church where they prayed to the god of “Shadrach, Mischach and Abednego.” Seemed pretty solid to him, those being the names of three devout Jews from the Book of Daniel. Unfortunately, his bastardized, protestant bible leaves out the part where its explained that those were the pagan names given to Hannaniah, Misha’el and Azariah. Oops... he just led his congregation in prayers to Babylonian demon-gods.
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