Jesus Christ as Elder Brother [Mitt's ancestor originated Lds idea treating Jesus as mere brother]

BYU Studies ^ | 2006 | Corbin Volluz

[Elsie]

Wow, what faith you must have to turn your life over to a group of people solely based on their underwear.

No, no, NO!

Not based on their underwear at all; but on the fact that they are REALLY nice!

[svcw]

:-) When I lived in the mountains of Santa Cruz County.....way out in nowhere, there was a family that was so nice.
We had a power outage for 13 days, they organized block BBQs, so we could cook together, freezers were losing food, no idea when power would be back on, helped people get water from town (20 miles each way) riding their hogs, these people were some of the best neighbors anyone could have.
Then one day, black SUVs, police vans, helicopters, screaming through our neighborhood........turns out they were running guns into Mexico for the drug cartels.
wow,
Sure changed my mind on what a nice neighbor actually was, if they had only been wearing special underwear.

[BlueMoose]

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.

[Elsie]

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[dalebert]

well you seem to be judging them because of underwear..they are conservative ...shouldnt that count for something ? they also support teaparty candidates.

[greyfoxx39]

Source? The message in that comment should be sent to all your mormon acquaintances and IMO should be followed by you.

BTW I've heard that the "I'm a mormon" campaign is a huge failure...people are laughingly asking "what kind of nut would go on TV saying: "I'm normal" and then follow up with "I'm a mormon"?

FAIL!

[svcw]

Pretty sure it was you who made the connection between underwear and niceness.
I do not care what any or lack of underwear people wear.
I have not seen a single conservative nationally elected mormon candidate.
There maybe individual mormons who are conservative, mormonism itself is not conservative.
SLC lds corporation is not conservative.
It was not me who decide to evaluate an entire beleive system because the guy next door is nice and wers interesting underwear.

[Servant of the Cross]

... a serious question indeed ...

Two additional serious questions ....

When are you posting the next part of this fascinating story? ....

Is it a true story; is it your personal story; or is it a composite? ...

You can't leave us hanging?!

[dalebert]

I have friends that practice other religions and I would also trust them with my life. I also have very religious friend that would steal from their grandma. I think you have to judge people as individuals and not as a group. I am not God.

[BlueMoose]

SEE # 165

[Elsie]

Sure I can!!

Choose your OWN ‘alternative ending’.

(Hint: it’s a thinly veiled allegory about a certain religion that is being discussed a lot these days...)

[Elsie]

I think you have to judge people as individuals and not as a group. I am not God.

I agree absolutely!!

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However; a 'religion' that espouses certain things CAN be judged, and SHOULD be judged against the STANDARD put forth in the BIBLE.

I have been given that command - just like you.

I choose to do it.

[Servant of the Cross]

Sure I can!!

Weeeeeeelllllllll .... we're waiting?!

[BlueMoose]

as do I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chD5JvQFcto

[Elsie]

I can see why the ‘backyard’ professor is so sure of his findings...

[dalebert]

oh so you are channeling god now

[Elsie]

oh so you are channeling god now

I guess you could call it that...

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Jesus has commanded us to judge!

 

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“Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).

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Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.

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“But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us” (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

“And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother” (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

“Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself” (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

“Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple” (Romans 16:17,18).

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All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep’s skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.

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 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”  (John 7:24).

[Elsie]

oh so you are channeling god now

1 Peter 4:11

If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God.

[dalebert]

whatever

[Elsie]

Don’t worry; I’ll do the judging so others won’t feel bad for being called INTOLERANT.