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“The Messiah is cut off,”

As mentioned previously, this is a bad thing...there have been many bad messiahs...and there is no “THE” messiah in Daniel. Just messiah...that is a tampering of the Hebrew. As a matter of fact, in all of Tanakh (OT) there is not one THE (def article) in front of messiah.

You didnt really answer B and C.

“Isa 53:1-12 He is offered as a “sin offering” “

The servant of Isaiah is identified multiple times in Isaiah 40 through 54. It is Israel, Jeshrun, Jacob and Zion. All are poetic prophetic collective nouns for for Jewish people corporately. Not once does Isaiah ever use or describe the servant as “messiah”. Not once. The prophet Isaiah constantly switches from a “singular” sevant...Jacob...and plural servants. for example.

Is 43:10 (Israel) “You are My witnesses,(plural)” declares the Lord,

“And My servant (singular) whom I have chosen,

The sin offering in Isaiah is an Asham or guilt offering. This does not help the christian argument, it makes it fall.

An Asham only atones for a limited type of sin. It is NOT a chatat. And per Lev 5:11, even FLOUR atones...not a sacrificed animal. Also, the animal had to be killed on the altar, blood sprinkled on the sides of the altar, the animals fat and ofal burned. Jsus suffocated on a Roman torture device, his throat not slit, no blood sprinkled on the altar, his fat and ofal not burned.

Is 53 does not change the fact that G-d (Deut 12, Jer 19) says he HATES human sacrifice and it never entered His mind.

G-d tells us never to engage in it. That is what the pagans do, so dont act like them. So, the church expects us to believe that G-d then acts like a pagan, and kills off his own human mortal son? G-d breaks His own Torah? G-d forbid!

“The Hebrew word translated to virgin is Almah,”

No. The Hebrew word for virgin is betulah. Almah means young woman. It says nothing about her state of sexual purity. Betulah does. Isaiah himself uses the word betulah in later passages, so clearly, if he wants to make it virgin, he knows which hebrew word to use.

Also, G-d is not going to take a mans wife and through a spirit agent, knock her up, giving the impression to all of a fornicator and adulterer.

Also, The whole point of Isaiah 7:14 is to give KING AHAZ a sign. It was not a virgin birth that was a sign to him, but the AGE of the child. By the time the child grew to know right from wrong, the two Kings who sought to destroy Israel would be killed. That was fulfilled in fact at that time. A virgin birth 700 year in the future in of NO value to Ahaz. And the implication would also be that there was 2 virgin births. Which of course is wrong.

Ps 22

13:They open wide their mouth at me,
As a ravening and a roaring lion.

David frequently uses language that shows him “surrounded” by enemies...like bees..like water...like dogs...and this is the point of Ps 22. It is about David...feeling threatened...not about a future event.

I am very familiar with teh K’ari and K’aru debate. It is not K’aru. In all other places where K’ari is found, the christian bible gets it right. “Like a lion” it is only here that they wrongly make it Pierced.

http://thejewishhome.org/counter/Psa22.pdf

“You didnt really answer B and C.”

Yes I did. But Jews tend to lose consciousness when they read their own scripture.

“The servant of Isaiah is identified multiple times in Isaiah 40 through 54. It is Israel, Jeshrun, Jacob and Zion. All are poetic prophetic collective nouns for for Jewish people corporately. Not once does Isaiah ever use or describe the servant as “messiah”. Not once. The prophet Isaiah constantly switches from a “singular” sevant...Jacob...and plural servants. for example.”

Number one, this is arguing then that Israel, corporately, can take on the sins of others (though they are innocent) and be offered, corporately, as a sin offering.

This, of course, has never been true historically. The Bible is full of divine judgments upon others and including the Jews. Especially the destruction in 70ad, if you know anything about the extreme apostasy of the Jews of that time. You are also arguing that, perhaps, killing Jews is good because it fulfills Isaiah 53. I do not think that is your position, though.

This only makes sense, therefore, if this servant is the promised Messiah who was predicted to appear:

Gen_49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Then there is the scripture just prior to 53:

Isa 52:13-15 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. (14) As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: (15) So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

This fits rather perfectly with Christ and the Gentiles embracing “for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.” The Jews, of course, had the Prophets, but the Gentiles never had that blessing. It also does not fit with Corporate Israel, unless you expect the Jewish people to be the saviors of the world one day.

Thirdly, the Redeemer of Israel is identified many times, for example:

Isa 48:12-17 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. (13) Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. (14) All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. (15) I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. (16) Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. (17) Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Here the Redeemer, who is also God, sent from “the lord GOD, and His Spirit,” promises to save Israel. Just a few chapters later, a suffering redeemer is predicted in 53. This same redeemer is also a conqueror.

The Jews read all sorts of weird things into the scriptures, but this is the most natural understanding of Isaiah.

“The sin offering in Isaiah is an Asham or guilt offering. This does not help the christian argument, it makes it fall.

Isaiah specifically teaches that this Redeemer would justify many, prolong His days and be exalted by “offering his soul as a sin offering.” If His sin offering was minor, it wouldn’t make a difference, and the entire prophecy loses its dramatic effect. Just logically your argument fails without having to go deeper into it. The word is also used when speaking of animal sacrifices and atonement for Priests and others.

“G-d tells us never to engage in it. That is what the pagans do, so dont act like them. So, the church expects us to believe that G-d then acts like a pagan, and kills off his own human mortal son? G-d breaks His own Torah? G-d forbid!”

The Jews often behave as pagans! But the weight of the scripture, from Daniel to Isaiah, speaks of a suffering Messiah who will be cut off in connection to a forgiveness of sins. Daniel even starts off that way, promising an “end to sin” at the end of it, though the end involves the destruction of the Temple. You are ignoring the most logical rendering of the scriptures.