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To: chuckles

“I was taught there was no remissions of sin without the shedding of blood”

Nope! Hebrews 9 is incorrectly quoting Leviticus 17.

“After Jesus, there was no more need for shedding blood for the remission of sin.”

Then why are sacrifices returning? Ezek 44.

“Abraham said God would provide the Ram for sacrifice......., and He did.”

We are not told that this is a sin sacrifice. When G-d stops Abraham...that is G-d telling Abraham...NO human sacrfice. Also, Dt 12, Jer 19.

“Any Jew that believed God would provide this “Ram” would receive Salvation without having to sacrifice animals.”

It never says that anywhere in the Torah, Prophets or writings.

We dont accept the transfiguration. If Elijah was standing there. How could John the Baptist be Elijah like Jsus claimed?

Your anti-christ is supposed to claim to be “God” right? We already rejected the man from Nazareth for making that claim. We are not about to accept anyone else who also makes that claim.

From what I have read in the NT and through history, the holy spirit is not effective. Shortly after the big release of the HS at pentecost, Paul has to write letters because they ALREADY had begun back sliding and getting into sin. Why? If the HS is indwelling in them? The church in the crusades, inquistion, pogroms, and the holocaust slaughtered the Jewish people. How could that happen if the HS leads the christian into truth?

Gotta run for now.


129 posted on 08/13/2012 10:46:04 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960
I have been following this thread since last night. I am reading the posts trying to comprehend all that is said. I have a comment and question based upon something you wrote.

Shortly after the big release of the HS at pentecost, Paul has to write letters because they ALREADY had begun back sliding and getting into sin. Why? If the HS is indwelling in them?

There also dwells within every man the capacity to sin. The Hebrew Bible gives us the laws to recognize our sins. Free will guarantees that a man will inevitably sin. Is it the constant need to cleanse our sins that keeps alive a vigorous relationship with God? Is this the same as the recurring sacrifices and sin offerings amongst the Jewish faithful? What would be the need for constant repetition if the sacrifices actually achieve forgiveness? I am not trying to be confrontational, just trying to understand.

238 posted on 08/13/2012 5:14:43 PM PDT by Kudsman (Restore the Republic, repeal the 17th.)
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