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To: sf4dubya
Jews for Jesus are Christians, like Messainic Jews or whatever flavor of the day movement is to recruit Jews to abandon Judiasm and adopt Christianity

How and when does a Jew for Jesus stop being Jewish...Is there some Catholic-style formal ex-communication, or is it more like an Amish-like shunning? Naturally, I'm not one myself, but I always wondered about this.

I've had a similar argument with a conservative, who wanted to "own" the definition of what is a conservative, to somehow exclude those who held some "unconservative" beliefs. I actually got him to reconsider this, (citing the Js for J as an example) by arguing that, yes, while "words mean things", those words which define who we are, politically, socially, religiously, etc., are more personal, and therefore more subjective.
153 posted on 08/13/2012 12:40:05 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: zencycler

“How and when does a Jew for Jesus stop being Jewish...Is there some Catholic-style formal ex-communication, or is it more like an Amish-like shunning? Naturally, I’m not one myself, but I always wondered about this.”

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Read Our Lord’s words, we are in the New Covenant, Jesus
came to reveal who God is in and aren’t you happy, see...in
a much greater way!! These people who are stuck in the
Old Covenant not so much true people of Judaism but the
crazy Protestant/I’ll use a few Jewish terms modern sects.

God doesn’t do anything without telling us, the importance
of private revelation, God makes explicit His plan.

11/06/07

“Many teach the physical nation of Israel is the fulfillment of my scripture. Many teach the anti-Christ will resume the Jewish sacrifice in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem to constitute the abomination of desolation. This is a false teaching, not from God, but from human understanding. My son, in the book of Daniel, the persecution by the Jews under Antiochus can be considered a partial fulfillment of the abomination of desolation. But the complete fulfillment has not yet taken place. At my death, the veil in the temple was rent in two and the old sacrificial covenant was replaced by my new covenant. My sacrifice on the cross was the final sacrifice for my peoples’ sin. I am the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. I am the seed of Abraham, the son of David, in whom all the nations of the earth are blessed. My nation of Israel is my church, not the modern nation of Israel. My people are now all those who become part of my church through sanctifying grace. The complete fulfillment of the prophecy from Daniel of the abomination of desolation will occur: when the continual sacrifice of the mass is abolished by the false prophet and the anti-Christ.”


163 posted on 08/13/2012 1:05:45 PM PDT by stpio
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