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To: blasater1960

““bad people cut off,” there is no evidence for that.”

Of course there is. Do a word study on Karet...cut-off. ONLY bad people are cut-off. Righteous people are NEVER cut-off.

“cut-off” from the land of the living....land of the living also means Israel. This is prophetic language for being exiled. Isaiah uses a lot of poetic language in his prophecies.”


Evidence? There is no evidence for the word Karath being used for exile. It is always a “cutting off,” and when applied to humans it involves death. I can find no instance where it refers to exile. There is also no evidence that someone “cut off” is inherently bad. Where it involves someone wicked being cut off, the scripture identifies the person as wicked and then says they will be cut off. If the word implied they were wicked, why would the sentence identify them first as wicked? It’s like using the word execution in the context of criminals, though not only criminals are executed.

Jer 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us [cut him off] from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.

In this case, Jeremiah uses the word “karath” to describe what his enemies want to do with him. If Karath meant something like a punishment from God for the wicked, Jeremiah would not have used it so casually for himself.

Therefore, the meaning of the word is the most obvious one. It is used in instances of cutting off branches, cutting off fruit, cutting off foreskin, making covenants, and finally cutting off people from life.

I think you should read the the scripture says, and not what you want it to say. It’s also interesting that you have not addressed this part of Daniel’s prophecy:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

All of this, of course, is easily applicable to the Messiah. And the end of this prophecy concludes with the destruction of the Temple, even while this section promises “to finish transgression, to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity.” Maybe you can invent some Hebrew words to make it mean something different, somehow. Good luck for that.


157 posted on 08/13/2012 12:49:35 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

“Evidence? There is no evidence for the word Karath being used for exile”

Sure there is.”cut off 3772”

And the uncircumcised 6189 man child 2145 whose 834 flesh 1320 of his foreskin 6190 is not circumcised 4135 , that soul 5315 shall be cut off3772 from his people 5971; he hath broken 6565 my covenant 1285.

That is physically removed from the people and spiritually removed from G-d. Exiled.

Whosoever 834 376 compoundeth 7543 [any] like it, or whosoever putteth 5414 [any] of it upon a stranger 2114 , shall even be cut3772 off from his people 5971.

Removed..exiled...excised.

This can be a spiritual, physical exile depending on the sin, can be destruction of the body straight away or early death. It can be the removal (excising of a person) from within “am Israel”

So, getting back to Isaiah,....Ezekiel speaks of Israel as “The land of the living” 26:20

So, Isaiah who like Ezekiel, is writing from Exile. Being cut-off from the land of the living, is being excised or removed from, the land of the living, would be front and center in his mind. Notice he doesnt say cut-off from the living. But LAND of the living. Rashi the Jewish sage said:...”he was cut off and exiled from the land of the living that is the land of Israel”...

“I think you should read the the scripture says, and not what you want it to say. It’s also interesting that you have not addressed this part of Daniel’s prophecy:”

What are you talking about? I just showed you definitively that being cut-off is a bad thing...Something that would NEVER be attributable to Jsus if he were messiah ben David. Messiah ben David is NEVER prophecised to be cut-off. And you are wrong. ONLY bad people are cut-off. Period. A prophet who is killed has NOT been cut-off they have been MURDERED...see the difference?

I will respond to the rest of Daniel for you or anything else. I avoid nothing...other than my job at the moment....


206 posted on 08/13/2012 3:12:52 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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