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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Mary was declared by the angel to be FULL OF GRACE. does that sound like she was unregenerated? The angel said "... thou hast found favour* with The God." (@ = grace) "Full of grace" is not associated with Mary and an angel in the Authorized Version.

If Mary was sinless, why does she need to obtain grace?

If, with child as she was, why did she think she needed a Savior -- even more so if, as some propose, she was a Co-redemptrix?

"And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord
And my spirit hath rejoiced in The God my Saviour." (Lk. 1:46,47)

"... let such as love the salvation say continually, 'The LORD be magnified.' " (Ps. 40:16b)

Well?

101 posted on 09/05/2012 2:10:00 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them NOT!)
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To: imardmd1
"... let such as love Thy salvation ,,,"
102 posted on 09/05/2012 2:30:03 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them NOT!)
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first, i read both posts, but probably will only have time to respond to this one, but do want to address my using CAPS.
unlike many here, i am not expert on the computer, i am not good and cutting and pasting ( as you are ) and don’t know hold to underline or bolden certain words i want to emphasize. therefore, i use CAPS, because i know how!
LOL, i am not shouting or angry when i do, i can assure you.
i am quite enjoying the exchanges, as i say, it may be the first time many learn of the historical, orthodox faith.
that said, let’s get back to our show!

i am afraid you have me at a disadvantage. you know i hold to the Catholic Faith, therefore in the venacular, i am “Catholic”. you have self described yourself as a “other Christian”, who believes in a local church. not much to go on, many people who i am sure you would widely disagree could describe themself the same way.

so in this post, you speak approvingly of the “authorized version” of the Scriptures. so i may know where you are coming from and can discuss the verse you mention, i have a few questions:

1. who “authorized” the authorized version.
2. under or by what authority did this authorization come from.
3. what basis was chosen for the books in the OT.
4. what basis was used or chosen for the books in the NT.
5. how does Acts 2:38 read in this authorized version.
6. was this version authorized by your local congregation.

once i know the answers to these 6 questions about this “authorized version”, i will be more than happy to discuss Mary and her need of a Savior.

special note to all those following this exchange that have been taught Catholics worship Mary, think she is divine, or think she did not need a Savior............stay tuned, you will be sorely disapointed!


107 posted on 09/05/2012 3:47:34 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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