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To: RinaseaofDs
Satan rules the earth. He is the prince of the air.

This seems like polytheism to me.

The Lord's Prayer is a Hebrew prayer for God's will to be done over Man's. It says nothing about Satan.

Jesus was a fine rabbi. And I don't think the United States could have been founded without Christianity. So in that sense, he was a messiah. Yet it seems to me too that he should have known about microbial contaminates in washing his hands before eating, (as he ostensibly knew about life after death) not that he would be obliged to express it and thus disrupt the flow of history. Though his continuation of the custom, rather than his flouting of it, would have been more in accord with what eventually became effective hygenic practice.

...doesn’t automatically preclude the possibility of Satan....

Again, I'd ask for one example of Satan's existence in the pre-human world.

30 posted on 09/25/2012 10:22:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

“Again, I’d ask for one example of Satan’s existence in the pre-human world.”

It’s an interesting request. You want prehistorical evidence of Satan’s intervention in things. I don’t know if it is possible, but I can lend a perspective:

According to some of the apocryphal texts, Lucifer was an angel, not a god, or not God himself. Apparently even angels have free will, and they are capable of sin, because the beef Lucifer had was being asked to worship God’s creation - man. Until the creation of man, Lucifer wasn’t all that concerned with Earth.

He and a third of the angels in Heaven that saw things likewise were cast from Heaven to Earth.

I don’t know how much evidence exists, and the fact that I switched from Satan to Lucifer is important, because I frankly don’t know if they are the same entity.

Jesus said, that Satan was a liar, and a murderer from the begining. Now, ‘begining’ to Jesus may mean something completely different than what it means to a human being.

The Lord’s prayer continues, in that we pray that we are not led into temptation, and to deliver us from evil.

This was the prayer given to us directly by Christ. It frankly scares the crap out of me, because it buries the cosmic lead, which is to say it suggests we are in the middle of a conflict between titanic spiritual entities about which we understand little.

It jibes, for me, the metaphor uses for His faithful on earth - sheep; His flock.

From a timeline perspective, there were no witnesses to the Fall of Lucifer, or where upon the Earth he landed. There’s rumors about some definitive physical location, but your request is difficult to fulfill on purely logistical grounds. This is why we call it ‘faith’.


39 posted on 09/25/2012 12:45:14 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: onedoug

“Though his continuation of the custom, rather than his flouting of it, would have been more in accord with what eventually became effective hygenic practice.”

You can’t be serious. Maybe I’m reading your post wrong. Jesus did not ‘flout’ hand washing for it’s sanitary purposes - He ‘flouted’ it because the pharisees misled themselves and others into believing that man-made traditions -such as the public washing of the hands - would bring salvation to the performer of said tradition. He was, in essence, flouting ‘religion’.

But surely you know this and I’m misinterpreting your post and wasting my valuable time typing this.


43 posted on 09/25/2012 4:40:41 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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