Posted on 11/22/2012 6:48:30 AM PST by greyfoxx39
-SNIP- Though a Romney win, by many indicators felt within reach, it didn’t happen. However, the fact that it almost did - and with very few variables could have - this reality has changed everything for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints (Mormon) – for the good. -SNIP-- As members of the LDS Church have taken increased opportunities to discuss their faith because of interest in Mitt Romney’s Mormonism, over time it became increasingly evident that no matter what sensitive issue came our way, be it baptism for the dead, racism, polygamy, Mormon temple worship, gender equality, etc… the chance to share our faith while clarifying Mormon teachings turned out to be a net positive. -SNIP- This evidence clearly suggests that Mormonism, now, can and should be considered a mainstream Christian religion. -SNIP- We have no interest, other than the hope of a general acceptance of our faith as Christian: to be considered the same as other Christian faiths. We understand that our message that boldly proclaims a restoration of the original Christian Church that Jesus Christ organized when He was upon the earth can be, at first, unsettling – and we’re perfectly all right with such reactions. We want our message to be different enough to compel the curious into allowing us to tell that story. -SNIP- As a Mormon, I see great hope in the results of this election. It has brought Mormonism out from relative obscurity, now clearly to be considered a mainstream Christian religion
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Document it teppe - more non-mormons were killed at Mountain Meadows than all mormons before that time and since. Young killed more of his own than Christians killed mormons. Get your history right.
Sorry, I have recent ancestors within the last 170 years who were murdered for thier beliefs, because they didn’t conform to main-stream Christianity.
Like it or not, it is a fact; but alas, they weren’t the first and probably won’t be the last.
History tends to repeat itself ... even Christian History.
Why would I have animosity toward Christains?
Why do you think my ancestors fled te Eastern US and settled in Utah?
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The LDS fled to Utah because of a response to their OWN behavior, like the assassination attempt on Gov. Boggs and the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor printing press and their anti-US rhetoric.
You are pulling the persecution card. How many LDS died at the hands of ‘gentiles’ and how many ‘gentiles’ died at the hands of LDS? The number is greater on the gentile side.
Regarding LDS views of Christians, here are some more quotes for you to ponder as well as some of your leaders against the United States.
“And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth...”
- Doctrine and Covenants, section 1, verse 30
Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. (1805 - 1844):
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.”
“I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.’”
“He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, ‘Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.’ I then said to my mother, ‘I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.’ It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me?
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Joseph Smith–History, v. 1, pp. 8–26
“What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270
“...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60
“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 1, p. xl
Prophet Brigham Young (1801 - 1877):
“He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong; that they were following the precepts of men instead of the Lord Jesus; that He had a work for him to perform, inasmuch as he should prove faithful before Him.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 171
“Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
“When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was groveling in darkness.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 73
“With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171
“...the time came when Paganism was engrafted into Christianity, and at last Christianity was converted into Paganism rather than converting the Pagans. And subsequently the Priesthood was taken from among men, this authority was re-called into the heavens, and the world was left without the Priesthood—without the power of God—without the Church and Kingdom of God.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 22, p. 44
Apostle Heber C. Kimball (1802 - 1868):
“Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers’ sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89
Prophet John Taylor (1808 - 1887):
“Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167
“Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127
“What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225
“What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225
Apostle Orson Pratt (1811 - 1881):
“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of Christian Churches ... But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172
“... who, in his right mind, could, for one moment, suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, “The Bible and Tradition, without Further Revelation, an insufficient Guide,” Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon – No. 3, December 1, 1850, p. 47; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 383-384
“This great apostacy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now. A short time after the death of the last of the Apostles, the Christian Church, what few of them remained, were persecuted from mountain to mountain, from den to den, from one cave of the earth to another, and from nation to nation until they were entirely exterminated and rooted out of the earth. Well, what was left? An apostate Christianity, a Christianity without revelators, without any voice of God, without any Prophets to unfold the future, without visions, without any communications from the heavens.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 44
“This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostacy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 14, p. 346
“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be. They say, “We have built chapels unto the name of the Lord; we call our Churches Christian Churches, they are called the Church of Christ, St. John’s Church, St. Paul’s Church, St. Peter’s Church, and after others of the ancient Apostles;” and one who had never studied the pattern which God has given of the Christian Church would almost really believe that they are Christian Churches. But there has been a long apostacy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written—”Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots.” This kind of a church has existed in great abundance, for as John the Revelator says, she was to have her dominion upon many waters, and she was to make all nations drunken with the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172
“Q. After the Church of Christ fled from earth to heaven, what was left? A. A set of wicked Apostates, murderers, and idolaters, who, after having made war with the saints, and overcome them, and destroyed them out of the earth, were left to follow the wicked imaginations of their own corrupt hearts, and to build up churches by human authority, and to follow after the cunning craftiness of uninspired men; having no Apostle, Prophet, or Revelator to inquire of God for them: and thus, because of wickedness, the Church, and Priesthood, and gifts, and ordinances and blessings of the everlasting Gospel, were taken from the earth, and reserved in heaven until the fulness of times, when it was predicted that they should again be restored among men to continue until the end should come.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Chapter 16, p. 205
Prophet Wilford Woodruff (1807 - 1898):
“The Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called”
- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 196
Apostle George Q. Cannon (1827 - 1901):
“After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon.”
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324
Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith (1876 - 1972):
“Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness.”
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 266
“For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian’ churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men.”
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 282
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915 - 1985):
“...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13
“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
“... all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ.... in large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed the Unknown Gods.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 269, 374-375
Prophet Ezra Taft Benson (1899 - 1994):
“This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth...”
- Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 164-165
Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley (1910 - ):
“We accept that as a statement which came to him [Joseph Smith’s vision in which he was told all other religions were “abominations”], which is printed, of course, and published in his history as a statement. But we go forward with a friendly relationship, with a respect for people everywhere and with an effort to accept them as we meet them and, where opportunity exists, to talk with them and explain to them what we believe.... We don’t criticize them for what they believe. We accept the good that comes of that understanding which they have, but we feel we having something to offer beyond what they have.”
- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, interview with Richard Ostling, as quoted in Mormon America, by Richard and Joan Ostling, p. 323
“Said he [a Protestant minister] ‘I’ve been all through this building, this temple which carries on its face the name of Jesus Christ, but nowhere have I seen any representation of the cross, the symbol of Christianity. I have noted your buildings elsewhere and likewise find an absence of the cross. Why is this when you say you believe in Jesus Christ.’ I responded:‘ I do not wish to give offense to any of my Christian brethren who use the cross on the steeples of their cathedrals and at the altars of their chapels, who wear it on their vestments, and imprint it on their books and other literature. But for us, the cross is the symbol of the dying Christ, while our message is a declaration of the living Christ.’ He then asked: ‘If you do not use the cross, what is the symbol of your religion?’ I replied that the lives of our people must become the only meaningful expression of our faith and, in fact, therefore, the symbol of our worship.”
- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, General Conference, April 1975
Others:
“… we can see the situation in which the world now stands that the eyes of the whole world are blinded, that the chuches have all become corrupted, yea every church upon the face of the earth; that the Gospel of Christ is nowhere preached.”
- Lucy Mack Smith, Joseph Smith Jr.’s mother, letter to Solomon Mack, January 6, 1831, reprinted, in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, v. 1, p. 216
“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”
- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9
On the United States...
“... you do solemnly swear in the presence of Almighty God... that you will avenge the blood of Joseph Smith upon this nation, and so teach your children; that you will, from this day henceforth and forever, begin and carry out hostilities against this nation, and keep the same a profound secret now and forever. So help you God.”
- Apostle William Smith, Arguments Before the Committee On Privileges and Elections of the United States Senate In the Matter of the Protests Against the Right of Hon. Reed Smoot, A Senator from the State of Utah, to Hold His Seat, 1905, p. 231
“We will go to a land where there are at last no old settlers to quarrel with us…. We will leave this wicked nation, to themselves, for they have rejected the gospel, and I hope and pray that the wicked will kill one another & save us the trouble of doing it.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, quoted in “Journal of Heber C. Kimball,” under January 2, 1846; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 216
“Who goes to the White House these days?... A gambler and a drunkard. And the Vice-President is the same. And no man can get either office unless he is a gambler and a drunkard, or a thief. And who goes to Congress? You may hunt clear through the Senate and House, and if you can find any men that are not liars, thieves, whoremongers, gamblers, and drunkards, I tell you they are mighty few, for no other kind of men can get in there.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, quoted in Hirshon, The Lion of the Lord: A Biography of the Mormon Leader, Brigham Young, 1969, pp. 278-279
“[U.S. President] Zachary Taylor is dead, and in hell. And I am glad of it.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, quoted in Perry Brocchus, “Utah Officials’ Report to President Fillmore,” Congressional Globe, new series, v. 25, p. 87; cited in B.H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church, 1930, v. 3, p. 520, footnote #3
“Joseph Smith escaped many conspiracies against his life…. But the Lord said – ‘Now let my servant seal up his testimony with his blood;’ and that sealed up the damnation of the United States, not of individuals, but of the nation…. I am prophet enough to prophesy the downfall of the government that has driven us out…. Wo to the United States! I see them going to death and destruction.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, in William S. Harwell, ed., Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847-1850, 1997, pp. 221, 238
“The people of the rest of the country are our enemies…. When the government conflicts with heaven, we will be ranged under the banner of heaven and against the Government…. I defy the United States. I will obey God.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Salt Lake Tribune, January 6, 1880, quoted in Samuel W. Taylor, Rocky Mountain Empire, 1978, p. 29
“The American Nation will be broken in pieces.... you live in the day and hour of the judgments of God Almighty.... the hour of God’s judgment is at the door.... I wish to warn all nations.... Thrones will be cast down, nations will be overturned, anarchy will reign, all legal barriers will be broken down, and the laws will be trampled in the dust. You are about to be visited with war, sword, famine, pestilence, plague, earthquakes, whirlwinds, tempests, and with the flame of devouring fire.... the slain of the Lord will be many.”
- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, April 21, 1879, in Millennial Star, v. 41, p. 241
“Brigham raised his hand and said, ‘I swear by the eternal Heavens that I have unsheathed my sword, and I will never return it until the blood of the Prophet Joseph and Hyrum, and those who were slain in Missouri, is avenged. This whole nation is guilty of shedding their blood, by assenting to the deed, and holding its peace.’ ... Furthermore, every one who had passed through their endowments, in the Temple, were placed under the most sacred obligations to avenge the blood of the Prophet, whenever an opportunity offered, and to teach their children to do the same, thus making the entire Mormon people sworn and avowed enemies of the American nation.”
- Elder John D. Lee, Mormonism Unveiled, 1877, p. 160, online at http://www.helpingmormons.org/Rare_Books.htm
“These people [the Mormons] repudiate the authority of the United States in this country, and are in open rebellion against the general government…. So strong have been my apprehensions of danger to the surveyors that I scarcely deemed it prudent to send any out…. We are by no means sure that we will be permitted to leave, for it is boldly asserted we would not get away alive.”
- David H. Burr, Surveyor-General for Utah, August 30, 1856, letter to Thomas A. Hendricks, General Land Office, March 28, 1857; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 229
Who? Where? When? Another unsourced blanket accusation against Christians.
Remind me again, why do mormons demand to be called "Christians"?
Some err in the term Son as Jesus is referred to in the Scriptures - He is called the Son of God and also the son of man. Does this mean he was Joseph’s son? NO. The term means equal to - therefore, Jesus equal to God - Jesus equal to man. He became man to bring us salvation and to teach us how to live pleasing to the Father and also to taste the mortality that we all have. He suffered all things, but never sinned.
Mormons fled because of polygamy.
Reagant, please read Oridgen, and other of the pre nicene -post apostolic writtings, and you will find that my difinition of Jesus Christ was very prevalent.
If your view of Christ was so established ... why did it take Imperial Execution to erradicate any other viewpoint?
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Tepid, I have read them, in the original languages as well as English. Your definition isn’t what they teach by far.
There was a danger of unbiblical heresies (like the gnostics) preaching false gospels and leading people astray, that is why the council was called and the creed (a unifying statement of faith) written.
You are wrong in assuming that one is directly the cause of another, logical fallacy. The persecution of gnostics and other groups was revolutionary, not theological in essence.
I can recommend some decent Church history books of you want to know the truth rather than just repeat what you hear in priesthood meeting.
I’m Catholic and really don’t give a sh!t what your opinion of the BVM is. Sanctimonius creep.
.maybe Reaganut you should read Christian History ... not the White-washed version that supports your belief system, but the entire version which your supporters won through bloodshed.
Please include the early Church Father such as Oridgen and Tertullian (other’s are good, but those are the ones I am most familiar with)
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ROFL, Teppe. I HAVE read it, I have a MASTER’S DEGREE in it from a SECULAR school.
I’m not the one guilty of reading biased history. And please spell Origen correctly. I have a hard time believing you have really studied them and in context if you can’t spell their name correctly.
Where did the early Church fathers teach God had sex with Mary? And that Christ wasn’t conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost??
I posted quotes by LDS leaders. The ANF would be rolling over in their graves over those comments.
I can tell you are Catholic by the way you curse me out. I have no idea what BVM is. I’m not sanctimonious - just saying what I believe. I said the Catholics are correct on the Trinity but disagree with them on the doctrine of Mary. How is that being sanctimonious? My, my, name calling is such a Christian thing isn’t it? I reset my case.
I never said God had sex with Mary. Ewww, why are you addressing me in this? I’m not Mormon.
Ok, I think BVM refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Yes, she was blessed because she was chosen to bring forth our Savior. However, we are never taught to worship her or that she can intercede for us. The Bible says there is only ONE mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus Christ.
If you’ll read the Scriptures, you will find Mary worshiping Jesus - not even the apostles would allow others to worship them - even though some tried. Mary was chosen for a very special purpose in life, as each of us is. Yes, Christ was born of a virgin, but you do realize that she had other children after marrying Joseph? She was a virgin because she never had sex with a man until after marriage.
You say you believe in the Godhead, but in reality, you believe in 3 gods. There is one God in three persons. Go back to creation and read it. God said, “Let US make man in OUR image.” Here you see the triune God in the creation.
This Scripture spoken by Jesus Christ means what it says, Possible interpretations aside. We have had those arguments from the first, hence the many beliefs ... largely due to Satan's deceptions and beguilement, and temptations.
Today the (many) translations of Scriptures take many liberties in my opinion. Which results in confusion.
Name any subject, rapture, salvation, Jesus Christ, immaculate conception, divinity of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Trinity. Each can be researched. How else have we arrived with 350 versions of Christianity in the churches today.
“Man does what is right in his own eyes.” from the last verse of Judges 21:25.
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James 1:12-27
King James Version (KJV)
12 Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man works not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the en grafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridles not his tongue, but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
God bless America.
Sorry, I have recent ancestors within the last 170 years who were murdered for thier beliefs, because they didn’t conform to main-stream Christianity.
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And WHEN was the last time a Mormon was killed because they were a Mormon, or for their faith anywhere in the world???
Christians are killed EVERY SINGLE DAY for their faith in Christ.
The persecution card from over 150 yrs ago(which was the fault of BOTH sides) doesn’t wash.
not to mention the number of Mormons who were killed by other Mormons because of their apostasy. Blood atonement doctrine killed more LDS than any gentiles did.
He suffered all things, but never sinned.
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I had a Mormon tell me the other day (in another forum) that Jesus wasn’t perfect and probably sinned. He didn’t respond when I asked if Jesus sinned then how could He be Savior?
I also have a quote by an LDS leader that claims Christians worship a ‘too pure and holy’ Jesus and that LDS Jesus was ‘just pure and holy enough’ the context of the quote is about Christians balking at the LDS teaching of Jesus being a polygamist.
I can dig out the quote if you like.
BVM = Blessed Virgin Mary
I never said God had sex with Mary. Ewww, why are you addressing me in this? I’m not Mormon.
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I was copying you, I was addressing Teppe. I know you aren’t LDS and agree with your statements, but the LDS teach that Jesus is the LITERAL (through intercourse) son of God and Mary (who is also God’s spiritual daughter like we all are).
Ewww is right. And I’m an ex-Mormon who left and became a Christian.
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