11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[Elsie]

you were raised in a Christian home, by Christian parents who learned Christianity from a pastor or priest or whatever...

There you go again: being wrong.

[Elsie]

I have no idea as to what this post means!!!

Be careful here - as the mod will getcha for making this thread about yerself.

[Elsie]

But like treasure in earthen vessels, the Pope's proclamations on issues of morals and faith are guided by the promised Paraclete.

Oh?

And all along I had the impression he was going by what the EARLIER popes before him had pontificated about.

Silly me.

[Elsie]

from who, if not the Catholic church, would you have learned anything..........there was no one else professing the message.....no one.

You STILL don't get the 7,000 thing; do you...

[Elsie]

Some abuses did take place, but those were contrary to Church teaching.

But, if this is true, how did they become church ACTION?

[Elsie]

So why does it rankle Catholics that we are sure of our salvation, again?

It reminds them of the USELESS rituals they continually perform to RETAIN their salvation.

[Elsie]

"By their fruit you will recognize them."-

You are using ONLY scripture to make your point?

[Elsie]

"By their fruit you will recognize them."-

BTW; in context; you'll find Jesus is speaking of FALSE PROPHETS in this passage.

[Elsie]

Clueless is the correct word

I'm standing right here!

[Elsie]

........wonder when I did??

HMMmm...

SOMEone just mentioned 'clueless'...

[Elsie]

you really can't discern between personal behavior and teaching from the chair of Peter????? pathetic....

While others pooh-pooh hellish ACTIONS sanctioned by the Chair of Peter...

Despicable!

[Elsie]

Only the Catholic Church possesses a non-contradictory body of Teaching,

But NO one can deny that the 'church' has had CONTRADICTORY actions at times.

We outsiders just canNOT understand how that would even be reMOTEly possible - in the 'true' church of course...

[metmom]

Only the Catholic Church possesses a non-contradictory body of Teaching, and the Authority given by Christ to teach authoritatively.

The facts posted on this forum with quotes from the *church fathers* themselves, show this to not be the case.

The EO do not accept the primacy of the Pope, they disagree on stuff about Mary. HarelyD just posted in the post just previous to yours other issues.

I've posted plenty of posts showing that the Catholic church says that there is no salvation outside of it and now the CCC and Catholics make exceptions.

Cynical Bear has posted other quotes of the Church forbidding the possession of Scripture by anyone other than it and now Catholics claim that they not only can have it but even as far as to say they are encouraged to read it.

Posts have been made showing when all the paganism entered the church, which was not in the NT church. Priests used to be able to get married and now they can't, although some say they still can, but as a practical matter, any priest who wants to marry has to leave the priesthood, and I know because I am related to one, so I don't even want to hear that they can remain priests and get married.

And the list goes on.

So there's not one bit of evidence that the Catholic church possesses a non-contradictory body of teaching. If they did, they'd just appeal to Scripture, which doesn't change instead of *tradition* which by nature is subject to change.

Nobody is being snowed by that proclamation. Except maybe Catholics.

[CynicalBear]

Wow! As I read through that I couldn’t help but think back to the dark ages and the evil that was perpetrated by the RCC under the guise of religion. Forbidding a lay person even to engage in debate about the faith shows both a fear within the RCC and an attempt at complete control to the point of torture for so much as discussing ones beliefs with others. The obvious Satanic evil perpetrated by that organization throughout its history should alert any who cherish their eternal future to denounce any affiliation and ask forgiveness for associating with it.

It’s not difficult to envision the evil they will again perpetrate during the Tribulation after the true church is taken from this earth. The dark ages were simply a dress rehearsal for what is to come.

[CynicalBear]

History my eye. History shows just how evil the RCC really is.

[HarleyD]

Only the Catholic Church possesses a non-contradictory body of Teaching, and the Authority given by Christ to teach authoritatively.

If the Catholic Church which is shown to contradict itself but contradicts this by saying they are non-contradictory, are they really contradicting themselves about being non-contradictory?

Ooooooo...my head hurts. ;O)

[CynicalBear]

>> you really can't discern between personal behavior and teaching from the chair of Peter?????<<

I suppose we don’t see the magic that happens. What an amazing transformation must happen! A pope can watch someone scream as they are being tortured or burned at the stake dying a agonizing death then go don his pointy hat and flowing robe with red shoes and pretend to be Christ. Satanic evil comes to mind.

[HarleyD]

As I read through that I couldn’t help but think back to the dark ages and the evil that was perpetrated by the RCC under the guise of religion.

One of daniel's references was to the 4th Lateran Council of 1215. That certainly is a very interesting document-one that I believe Catholics would sooner forget. You will note that Catholics here, while the pretent to say that they go back to the early church fathers, their posts for the most part quote sources from the Council of Trent and forward. (There are some minor quotes from the early fathers but not doctrinal discussions from them.) Catholic religious viewpoint is from the 1500s-not the early church. That is the difference between the Reformers who went back to the source.

[Religion Moderator]

LOL

[daniel1212]

Indeed (though that it refers to reading is denied by some RCs):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2661829/posts?page=409#409

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2661138/posts?page=519#519