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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: Alamo-Girl
"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. - James 4:7"

yes..he (the devil) will flee from you!

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly

2,741 posted on 01/22/2013 9:56:27 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501
Indeed. Praise God!!!
2,742 posted on 01/22/2013 9:58:23 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: mitch5501
Conversely if we don't do the "work of God" there will be no freedom,no deliverance from bondage to slavery,no transforming by the renewing of our minds to conform to the image of God's own Son and the devil will have a field day helping us to endlessly list our own shortcomings and keeping us blind to God's great gift.Not only does it keep us slaves to our own wicked hearts but it is a terrible affront to what God has done for us!

Thank you for your encouragements.

I think what throws some people on these threads and in everyday life is the idea of what place "works" have in a believer's life. We know from Scripture that they do not save us, that they can never take away our sins and they do nothing to make us deserving of eternal life. Some people respond to the Gospel of salvation by grace apart from works, that we are made righteous by faith and not by our good deeds, with sneering accusations of, "You mean you can go out and live as you please and STILL go to heaven when you die?!". And of course we have to answer, as Paul had to to the SAME accusation, that we are created "unto good works which God has prepared for us to walk in them" (Eph. 2:10) and that grace is not a license to sin. BUT...we are not saved by our works. It's really hard for some people to get their minds around that.

We also know from Scripture that a genuine faith causes a change of our very spirits. We are no longer slaves to sin but have been given the power to resist sin through the indwelling Holy Spirit, who is given to us as the down payment for our heavenly home. Our new spirit nature is overcoming our old nature and we find ourselves not even desiring the same life we had. We find as we grow closer to the Lord in our relationship with him that we actually WANT to please him because we are so grateful for his mercy, grace and love. We love him because he first loved us and saved us.

God does not cast us out, he will never leave us or forsake us, he won't lose us and no one can pluck us out of his hands - not even ourselves! How can we NOT respond to that kind of love? It is knowing this grace that causes us to want to love him back and live to honor him. This IS the kind of service God desires - NOT the kind that is "good" because of fear of hell. I don't think I have ever met someone who was really a Christian who did not have the life to back it up. Real faith does that to a person. Rather than thinking I have to be good to make it to heaven and being afraid of God, I have the real freedom to serve him because I really love him - and THAT'S the kind of service He wants - not works done out of obligation or fear. I think living for Christ out of love is far more glorifying to God than living in order to somehow merit heaven or avoid hell.

So, yes, I agree that the work God designed us to do will be the very best for us because he loves us and wants what is best for us. When we rebel, we will be chastened so that we are reminded of His plans for us - plans for a future, one for good and not for evil. How can we NOT love him? Knowing that he is at work within us conforming us to be like Christ is the most wonderful thing in the world! His love is SO complete that even when we do sin, he is STILL our Father and will forgive us when we come to him in repentance. His love and grace is SO total that when we do sin - and we will - he will NOT cast us out. We have assurance that nothing can separate us from his love. If this truth is allowed to sink in, there is nothing that can come close to the joy and peace He gives us.

2,743 posted on 01/22/2013 10:09:14 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
and what is that one offensive weapon we have against him and his deceits?

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God" Ephesians 6:17...and what does a helmet do?..it protects the MIND!..the FACT we have been FREELY GIVEN that "helmet" protects our minds against the devil and his accusing deceits!

Amen dear AG Praise God indeed!

2,744 posted on 01/22/2013 10:14:54 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: boatbums
"You mean you can go out and live as you please and STILL go to heaven when you die?!".

We hear that a lot.It sounds very similar to...(Luke 15)"But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf."...and yet we are told earlier that...he "wasted his substance with riotous living",so maybe the little quip about harlots reveals what was on the mind of the son who stayed home.

"If this truth is allowed to sink in, there is nothing that can come close to the joy and peace He gives us."

Amen...allowing it to "sink in" is indeed that very work of God and joy and peace will be the result!

Grace and peace to you bb! and God bless and keep us all! He is able!

2,745 posted on 01/22/2013 10:28:43 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501
SO very true, dear brother in Christ!

Praise God!!!

2,746 posted on 01/22/2013 10:32:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; metmom
I do not want to be in the majority:

it's not a question of the minority or not. It's a question of following what Christ teaches and on the matter of what Christ teaches both of you do not follow Him

So, if you two want to ignore what Christ teaches, that's your problem

What does Jesus say saves us?


Jesus says that if you endure to the end you get salvation, that if you helped your fellow man you inherit the kingdom of God (you get salvation) --> note these are HIS own words


2,747 posted on 01/23/2013 12:13:17 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: Syncro

The basic fact is that your religion by rejecting Christ’s teachings (above) is a cult, outside of orthodoxy


2,748 posted on 01/23/2013 12:14:01 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: count-your-change; CynicalBear; metmom

I invite you, count-your-change, to give your biblical interpretation proving your point that Jesus is not God.


2,749 posted on 01/23/2013 12:14:53 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: mitch5501
Knowing that you have life and that it was paid for with a terrible price,showing us just what lengths God would go to to redeem us and just how much He loved us and that it is ALL on someone else's account,namely, His ONLY begotten Son, is like a bomb going off in the human heart.

It sure is.

That's why when someone asks us of how we can be sure that we're saved, we can say *yes*. It's not a matter of *feelings*. The change is so profound that it is simply beyond comprehension or explanation.

You KNOW.

An apt analogy on your part in light of Acts 1:8 where Jesus said they'd be clothed with power from on high.

dunamis: (miraculous) power, might, strength

Definition: (a) physical power, force, might, ability, efficacy, energy, meaning (b) plur: powerful deeds, deeds showing (physical) power, marvelous works.

2,750 posted on 01/23/2013 12:38:42 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"...in light of Acts 1:8 where Jesus said they'd be clothed with power from on high."

Amen sister "if the Son makes you free ye shall be free indeed" and it is that realization that will buckle us at the knees and lift us up at the same time like little else will.Oh what love He has for us!

Thankyou Lord Jesus!

2,751 posted on 01/23/2013 12:47:28 AM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Syncro
She carrying baby Jesus.

Baby Jesus???? For real????

Hebrews 10:12-14 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Revelation 1:12-18 12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.


2,752 posted on 01/23/2013 12:48:12 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos

I didn’t suggest a negotiating session on this thread, if you wish to start a thread on the subject I’ll comment there. Thank you for the invite, I’ll meet you there.


2,753 posted on 01/23/2013 12:58:03 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Cronos
You do realize that those verses that you posted refer to those Jews in the Tribulation period, when the church has already been taken out of the way, don't you?

Those are not spoken to church age believers.

1 Pet. 3:20-21: " It (Baptism )saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

Let's finish the verse and put it in context, shall we? Like Catholics claim non-Catholics don't do....

1 Peter 3:18-22 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Peter clarifies here that it is NOT water baptism.

Jesus tells what qualifies man for eternal life and it simply believing.

John 3:16-18 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

Ephesians 2:4-10 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

The problem happens when one takes one section of the word in isolation.

That is exactly the problem with the way the Catholic church has taken James 2:17 out of context. The failure to distinguish between intellectual assent and true saving faith is what causes the Catholic church to misinterpret James.

Intellectual assent is intellectual assent. True saving faith manifests works and that is how one can tell if they have that kind of saving faith.

Intellectual assent does not become saving faith by adding works and that is apparently a deceit perpetrated by Satan with great success, having convinced multitudes that if they acknowledge God's and Jesus' existence and then do works with it, that it is saving faith.

It's not. It's merely a counterfeit.

2,754 posted on 01/23/2013 1:15:42 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos; count-your-change; CynicalBear
I invite you, count-your-change, to give your biblical interpretation proving your point that Jesus is not God.

Another red herring.

Show us where cyc ever stated that instead of stating it as a fact in the form of an accusation and demanding that he defend a baseless accusation made against him.

You've pulled the same nonsense on me and others many times and we've refused to play along. It's an immature and disingenuous debate tactic. Nobody owes an answer to anyone who engages in that kind of underhanded slander.

2,755 posted on 01/23/2013 1:21:06 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

I’d be more than happy to discuss the arguments for and against, pro and con but this thread with as far afield from the original subject as it’s become isn’t the best forum.


2,756 posted on 01/23/2013 1:55:37 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: CynicalBear
Is there scripture to prove that or are we relying on carnal man on that one?

Why; silly little man - we have 2000 years of 'christian' (wink, wink) writing to back it up!!!

2,757 posted on 01/23/2013 4:02:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stfassisi
If you ever learn to understand Scripture through typology you will begin to understand Scripture in the correct way, CB

Who needs 'types' when you have direct quotes?


John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

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1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

2,758 posted on 01/23/2013 4:04:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stfassisi
Mary spent three months in the house of Zechariah and Elizabeth (Luke 1:26, 40)


You missed the verse...

56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

2,759 posted on 01/23/2013 4:11:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stfassisi
I’m busy and I don’t have the time to go round and round again on this since it’s been covered at length

Oh; it's been COVERED all right!

Built up in bits and pieces like Watterson's Calvinosaurus.

2,760 posted on 01/23/2013 4:26:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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