11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[svcw]

The only one we have to obey is Jesus.

Amen!!!!!

[Rashputin]

Hebrews 13:17

Douay-Rheims = Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.

KJV = Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Here is where you see the KJV expand this away from the original Greek to encompass all who rule over you, as in the king and the nobility. Look it up, the Greek is far more limited and applies only to those over you within the Church, not the society as a whole. The Douay-Rheims is from the Latin and Greek to ensure it is as close to the Septuagint as possible.

Overseers in that context is basically bishops as I recall, but there are several folks around here fluent in Greek who can clear up whether "overseers" is only bishops or bishops and priests.

[metmom]

We don't need to confess to priests when we can go right to God Himself.

Luke 11:1-4 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them, “When you pray, say:

“ Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4 and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,...

Hebrews 4:14-16 14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Romans 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

[Elsie]

What you haven't done is explain why Christ said,

It's YOUR strawman: YOU explain it.

I'm still waiting on WHY catholics claim Jesus CHANGED Simon's name, when Scripture CLEARLY indicates he was known as PETER before Jesus ever mentioned it.

[Elsie]

All the anti-Catholic trash is misdirection...

Then Rome had better provide CLEAR direction; 'cause it sure ain't happenin'; is it!

[Elsie]

It proves what?

That they believe different things?

That's the impression they want the uninformed to accept.

[Syncro]

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

You see, when Christ died on the cross the veil was rent and the old Jewish priesthood was no longer needed because now each believer had access to the throne of God through the blood of Jesus. Jesus is now the High Priest who represents us before the Throne of God.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Nice, CynicalBear, nice.

So RC's first "pope" has called out all Christians (love the lively stones reference) to be Priests, both Holy and Royal.

Nice how simple it really is.

I ran across this:

Traditional "ordination" concepts contradict the New Testament teaching on the priesthood of all believers (Ephesians 4:11-12; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 1:6; 5:10). It confers upon one person special and priestly rights which is denied to the rest of the congregational members. Yet, according to the New Testament, the entire Christian church is a ministerial body – and in this sense "ordained" – with full authority to minister and actively participate during the church meeting (Romans 12:4-6; 1 Corinthians 12:4-11,14; 14:26; 1 Peter 4:10-11).

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and
that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my
name, he may give it you. (KJV WBS)

[Elsie]

At their first meeting, Christ told Simon that his name would thereafter be Peter, which translates as "Rock" (John 1:42).

SO?

42 And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter.

What's so difficult about Jesus being able to PREDICT the future?

He did NOT 'change' his name in that verse!

[Elsie]

why did Matthew leave the passage as it was?

IUh...

He haad no clue that folks in the future would warp the clear meaning so badly?

[Elsie]

Furthermore, the premise of the argument against Peter being the rock is simply false.

Boldy said; and just as boldy unbacked by evidence.

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Why does No other Rock grate on you guys so?

[Elsie]

...there are over ten thousand different non-Catholic churches in this country that claim to have doctrinal differences from other non-Catholic churches.

Oh?

[Elsie]

I know it’s an extremely advanced concept, but “if you ain’t in the group mentioned, it doesn’t apply to you.”.

Acts 15

[Elsie]

What do you mean by “mediator?” Time out to consult a dictionary the church fathers.

Fixed...

[Elsie]

...you have to go deep into semantics to reject the importance of Peter.

...you have to go deep into a trance to believe the importance of Peter that Rome has put forward.

[Elsie]

Since you HAVE pinged him; a rational person would tend to think that he has no obligation to return any favors.

[Elsie]

It appears you are channeling Narses...

[Elsie]

Have you read any of Pope Benedict’s writings?

THIS one??

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

[Elsie]

I have known Catholics that are born again!

Amen and AMEN!

[Elsie]

...and Scripture says, , “obey your prelates”.

It DOES?

Where?

[terycarl]

Like many Catholic "teachers,", this author broad brushes all Christians outside of the Catholic church as Protestants. Catholics love their labels.

if christians who are not Catholics are not protestants....what are they???