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To: HarleyD

Luther and Calvin were radical Augustinians, but most evangelicals today have long departed from such views. Except on a narrow range of views the Reformers departed ways with Augustine, who was after all, a Catholic bishop. As for “semi-pelegianism”, the modern “big box churches seems to have gone past the “holiness”phase to methodism/evangelicalism to full-blown pelagianism.


194 posted on 01/07/2013 4:25:13 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS
Except on a narrow range of views the Reformers departed ways with Augustine

I find nothing in Calvin's writings that would suggest such a thing. Could you please provide an example?

As for “semi-pelegianism”, the modern “big box churches seems to have gone past the “holiness”phase to methodism/evangelicalism to full-blown pelagianism.

Your statement isn't far from the truth. Augustine called anything that aligned itself with "free will" Pelagianism. While there are plenty of Protestant churches today that would fit that category, I would also suggest reading what the Council of Trent had to say. They also went down this same path.

288 posted on 01/07/2013 2:13:38 PM PST by HarleyD
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