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To: metmom
Oh, Elsie, about that *inane* list of bad popes. Perhaps we need to add all those priests their church has been having trouble with as well.

don't go there because the number of "troublesome" Protestant ministers, school teachers, scout leaders et al...greatly outnumber the number of Catholic clergy...not even close, all catagories....

2,156 posted on 01/18/2013 8:55:01 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl
don't go there because the number of "troublesome" Protestant ministers, school teachers, scout leaders et al...greatly outnumber the number of Catholic clergy...not even close, all catagories....

Compare each individual category. It's easy to make Catholic clergy look less bad when compared to the whole rest of the world, but it's intellectually dishonest to not compare like categories.

The biggest abomination of the whole Catholic clergy fiasco is that those are the men who are allegedly representing Christ to their parishioners.

2,165 posted on 01/18/2013 9:02:58 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
don't go there because the number of "troublesome" Protestant ministers, school teachers, scout leaders et al...greatly outnumber the number of Catholic clergy...not even close, all catagories....

Compare each individual category. It's easy to make Catholic clergy look less bad when compared to the whole rest of the world, but it's intellectually dishonest to not compare like categories.

The biggest abomination of the whole Catholic clergy fiasco is that those are the men who are allegedly representing Christ to their parishioners and that they're still permitted to hear confessions, participate in mass, provide legitimate sacraments, etc. as if none of that happened or is important, or heinous sin, as it is.

How reprehensible that they should continue in a priestly role supposedly representing the people to God and representing God to the people.

God doesn't think very highly of those who take His name in vain.

1 Samuel 2:22-25 22 Now Eli was very old, and he kept hearing all that his sons were doing to all Israel, and how they lay with the women who were serving at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 23 And he said to them, “Why do you do such things? For I hear of your evil dealings from all these people. 24 No, my sons; it is no good report that I hear the people of the Lord spreading abroad.

25 If someone sins against a man, God will mediate for him, but if someone sins against the Lord, who can intercede for him?” But they would not listen to the voice of their father, for it was the will of the Lord to put them to death.

1 Samuel 3:11-14 11 Then the Lord said to Samuel, “Behold, I am about to do a thing in Israel at which the two ears of everyone who hears it will tingle. 12 On that day I will fulfill against Eli all that I have spoken concerning his house, from beginning to end. 13 And I declare to him that I am about to punish his house forever, for the iniquity that he knew, because his sons were blaspheming God, and he did not restrain them. 14 Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.”

And that was for sin of laying with women, not homosexual pedophilia. How a Catholic priest whose hands have molested little boys in sin that is an abomination to God can lift them up and consecrate the eucharist as if those hands were pure and undefiled and then serve that same host to his parishioners, is beyond me.

I can't help but wonder what the reaction would be if those parishioners knew what those hands had been doing the week before.

And all we get in regard to it is *Nobody is perfect* and *Others do it too*.

It makes me want to lose my lunch.

2,174 posted on 01/18/2013 9:15:42 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
don't go there because the number of "troublesome" Protestant ministers, school teachers, scout leaders et al...greatly outnumber the number of Catholic clergy...not even close, all catagories....

And NONE of them 'lead' the biggest church in the world.



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

2,239 posted on 01/19/2013 4:18:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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