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Posted on 01/16/2013 8:57:49 AM PST by marshmallow
Yes, but the ruler’s reaction as opposed to that of Zacheus does not change the fact that Jesus made an honest offer: “come follow me.”
I don’t believe Jesus would feign an offer.
And, even when I say “I love my dog.” I still mean that I have regard for the “poor thing” as it lays on my couch watching Fox and Friends at this moment, eating free, getting free heat, shelter, health care, and entertainment.
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I post that God is omniscient then you come back and ask if I think God knows everything. There seems to be a disconnect there. It’s rather simple to me. If God is omniscient it means He knows everything. After I post that God knows everything then asking me if I think God knows everything makes me think that a longer explanation of knowing everything is in order.
CB- “Thus God knew very well about Adam’s character, what would happen, and ordained it to happen.”
This doesn't make God an "author of sin". But you have my curiosity aroused since you're saying it does. Let's break this apart.
2) God knew what would happen
3) God ordained it to happen
You may want to think about what you just said. If I’m reading that correctly you would agree that because God knew what was going to happen but created the world anyway that God is the author of sin. I would suggest that is great error.
God is the creator of the world and all in it, and, as you say, He knows everything. Therefore He is not the author of sin, be He did intentionally allow it. This makes Him the Allower of Sin. We see that in His allowing Satan to torment Job.
There are many other instances, even prophesied ones, perhaps the most egregious being the response to the birth of Christ being the massacre of infants around Bethlehem by evil King Herod.
Ordained
1.
a. To invest with ministerial or priestly authority; confer holy orders on.
b. To authorize as a rabbi.
2. To order by virtue of superior authority; decree or enact.
3. To prearrange unalterably; predestine Synonyms – dictate
By stating that God “ordained” someone to sin the would mean that God ordered that person to sin. God does not “order”, “decree” or “authorize” sin.
And there is a big distinction between the two. Allowing it and commanding or causing it to happen are not the same.
Maybe. Just because God does something one way one time does not mean He's obligated to do it that way all the time.
Then what you're saying is that God might have purposely saved a few people throughout history who didn't have to make a choice just so the rest of humanity could make a choice. Doesn't that seem a bit inconsistent? That position is no different than our Catholic friends telling us the Virgin Mary was shielded from sin just to carry our Lord. My response to them is, "Why doesn't God shield all of us from sin?" I never get a reply to that one.
God shows no partiality. Everyone is saved exactly the same way. It doesn't matter whether we're on a Damascus Road or we quietly hear a moving call. Some salvation experiences are more dramatic than others because there are some that simply are tougher nuts to crack. But it is all the same and all as valid.
How many times do I/we have to say no before you get it?
Ok, God knows everything. We agree on that.
Was there ever a point in Eternity where God did not know everything?
This line of debate is beginning to sound like another FReeper who infests the RF and always tries to absolve himself of responsibility of his sin with that line of reasoning.
His argument is constantly that if God knew ahead of time what you were going to do, do you have the will to choose otherwise? IOW, why is he responsible for what he did if he can't help himself?
No amount of talking convinces him that foreknowledge is not determinism or predestination.
Actually, knowing what Adam (or any of us) was going to do and MAKING him (us) do it are two different things.
God’s nature is love. God IS love.
I do not believe that God has degrees of love for people as we do.
He does not treat everyone the same, but that does not deny His very nature.
I'm not arguing, I am asking questions. We have already established that God knew ahead of time.
With that in mind, would you like to take a stab at answering the questions?
Was there ever a point in Eternity where God did not know everything?
If we agree on the first statement, what's the point of even ASKING the second one? The answer was already established.
The disconnect is rather confounding. I just got asked if there was ever a time when God didn’t know everything. That after saying that God is omniscient, then being asked if God knows everything, now asked if God has always known everything. Did God really say?
It seems we have a situation where people are listening to what some man is teaching rather than what the Holy Spirit guidance while studying scripture is saying. I’m seeing a pattern when someone consistently posts the theology of some organization that it’s most often going to clash with scripture at some point. It’s becoming clearer and clearer to me that aligning oneself with an organized religion is dangerous at best.
What part of omniscient is alluding you?
The first question dealt with a point in “time”.
You will note that the followup question dealt with a point in Eternity. There is a difference don’t you agree?
I am puzzled by the refusal of some people to answer simple yes or no questions.
Would you be willing to give some straight yes or no answers to some basic yes or no Questions?
Why can't you just answer yes or no?
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