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To: UCANSEE2

death WAS NOT NECESSARY for life before the fall, that is the point of God declaring his creation good.

there is nothing illogical about that at all.

death was not supposed to happen, if it was, then god would not have declared his creation good.

Death is called the enemy, how can you say ‘nowhere is death called not good’.....calling it the enemy is more than enough.


20 posted on 01/22/2013 11:07:25 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan
Thank you for your response.

death WAS NOT NECESSARY for life before the fall, that is the point of God declaring his creation good.

death was not supposed to happen, if it was, then god would not have declared his creation good.

You are repeating yourself. I can understand what you 'mean', and that 'this' is your 'belief'. However, your premise is unsupportable and does not verify your conclusion. If there was no 'death', then why was GOD concerned that ADAM would next eat of the TREE OF LIFE (immortality-no death) ???

Are we to believe that since the 'fall', that all of God's creation is now 'evil' ? Does GOD now consider the whole of the Universe to be NOT GOOD ?

Perhaps a more 'logical' question would be, what did ADAM eat before the fall ? IF there were various 'crops' that ADAM ate, what 'replenished' the soil they were grown in?

Death is called the enemy,

Where? I've looked, it doesn't say that.

how can you say ‘nowhere is death called not good’.....

Again, I've looked and nowhere in the Bible is death called 'not good'.

calling it the enemy is more than enough.

The only reference in the Bible to calling 'it' the enemy is in Corinthians. It says, "The last enemy to be destroyed is death."

AFAIK, this refers to the human spirit ascending unto heaven upon 'death'. That is the way we 'beat' death, by physically dying. Another 'interpretation' of this is that you can destroy 'death' by no longer fearing it. A 'spiritual rebirth', if you will.

None of these 'interpretations nor the quote in Corinthians have any thing to do with whether or not there was 'no death' before the 'fall of Adam'.

Just remember, logic and faith are two different things. If your 'beliefs' give you 'faith', then it doesn't really matter whether it seems logical or not.

Again, the whole point is that ADAM used his free will to decide NOT TO LISTEN TO GOD ANYMORE. Exactly how that occurred is 'logically debatable', but I don't believe anyone can prove exactly WHAT happened, and HOW it happened, and it doesn't really matter.

It doesn't matter if it was an APPLE or an ORANGE. It was the DECISION that was the whole point of that story in Genesis.

And that is my 'belief' and what my 'faith' rests on.

22 posted on 01/22/2013 12:17:36 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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