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To: daniel1212
Brother Dan- You Okay?

This is about a village or group who are not christian acting. Sad for the victims.

"as if he was one of the two prophets of Revelation. Not the norm by any means, yet i think it is also a fantasy that Rome's change of demeanor from the past is mainly the result of superior enlightenment rather than necessity. If powerful Catholic monarchies still were the norm and were free to enforce submission to Rome, and which Rome required under penalty of excommunication and deposition, then believers such us would have about as much freedom as in China, or less."

You Think thus it is?

Fantasy?

Like your not purveyor of Fantasy?

I think your all Romed Out.

Lions, Tigers and Rome......

What next Vatican issued Rifles?

You lawyered up all your words for this?

Wow!

10 posted on 02/01/2013 10:32:03 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace
This is about a village or group who are not christian acting. Sad for the victims.

That is your judgment, and which i affirmed even as regards Rome's modern teaching, while it is no Protestant fantasy that this modern teaching was mainly the result of superior enlightenment rather than necessity.

As one of your separated traditionalist Catholics argues,

Religious communities have the right not to be prevented from publicly teaching and bearing witness to their beliefs by the spoken or written word. ["Dignitatis Humanae"]

A) The accursed perversity of heretics has so increased that now they exercise their wickedness not in secret but manifest their error publicly, and win over the simple and weak to their opinion. For this reason, We resolve to cast them, their defenders, and their receivers under anathema, and We forbid under anathema that anyone presume to help heretics or to do business with them. III Lateran Council (Ecumenical)

B) It is insanity to believe that Freedom of Conscience and Freedom of Worship are the inalienable rights of every citizen. From this foul-smelling fountain of Indifferentism flows the erroneous and absurd opinion -- or, rather, MADNESS -- that freedom of conscience must be asserted and vindicated for everyone. This most pestilential error opens the door to the complete and immoderate liberty of opinions which works such widespread harm both in Church and State. Pope Gregory XVI

C) Right Reason: Cannibals should not be allowed on street corners. Ask yourself this: If it is OK to permit a man to murder his mother, what do I do if that man is my brother? Honor his "right" to kill Mom, or defend to the death my Mom? - http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/vatican2/vatican2.htm

You lawyered up all your words for this?

That is quite a tactic for dealing with a reality that you apparently find objectionable, though it both affirms these persecutors were acting contrary to Rome past and present, respectively, while substantiating what it practiced in the past, and provides its present stance in contrast.

But since you object, what is it you are defending that i did not state?

14 posted on 02/02/2013 7:29:52 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: johngrace; daniel1212

This is about a village or group who are not christian acting


That is your complete argument to defend these actions and lack of response from the Pope or any other Catholic figurehead? Please finish this sentence:
The Pope or no representative from Rome will not respond to the situation in Chiapas because...


18 posted on 02/02/2013 9:31:21 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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