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To: EyeSalveRich

I don’t understand your question or comment. Sorry.


36 posted on 02/12/2013 11:15:06 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
You said The “Americaninzation” of Christianity frustrates me as well. It is not about Americans. It is about Christians. And, not to sound too nutty, I don’t think American flags belong in churches. They are not secular organizations. I’m seeing little in the NT about patriotism. The bible is about two things, the second of which is a subset of the first: Man’s relationship with his Creator and man’s relationship with his fellow man.

Patriotism is defined as devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

Scripture says seek first the kingdom of God. It becomes very important what the kingdom is. If you define the kingdom as something which is only spiritual (not a biblical idea) then it is entirely different than if you believe Rev. 11:15 that the kingdoms of this world are become the kindom of Christ. Dan 7 says the same.

Further you use church as a building. Common, but not biblical or correct for your argument. Churches are secular. THE church is not secular.

Think about this in terms of the OT. God established a kingdom at Mt. Sinai. There were judges, military leaders, elders, there was the rule of law, with one nation under God. The people all agreed three times to their form of government, with God as head. That agreement is a constitution of sorts. That reigns under God and his laws. Was it secular? Yes. Was it Christian? Yes, in a forward looking sense.

You mention mans relationship to God and man, while rejecting the idea of secular. Kingdoms are in essence mans relationship to man, and their king. It IS secular and if it is Christian it is simultaneously spiritual.

37 posted on 02/12/2013 12:33:13 PM PST by EyeSalveRich (define the kingdom)
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