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1 posted on 04/02/2013 8:21:11 AM PDT by daniel1212
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As with most folks, I drifted far far away from my religious upbringing, but with maturity, have returned.

Whether or not you believe the stories, reading the bible reveals a rich history of peoples attempting to discern and do good.

Reading the NYT reveals a sordid history of ill-educated clowns incapable of providing moral guidance to a rabbit or running a kool-aid stand.


2 posted on 04/02/2013 8:31:58 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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I don’t put a lot of stock into what Barna has to say, but if the stats are even remotely close, it’s very revealing.


3 posted on 04/02/2013 8:32:12 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Likely to be slammed here, but the problem is not the Bible in and of itself. It is those who persist in defining it as God and then shelving it when it finished reading. The Bible is Sacred, but then so is the person reading it. Is not the very Spirit of Jesus in each person?

Jhn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created male and female created he them.

Jhn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. Every living person was given the light.

Jhn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood [fn] it.

Luk 11:35 See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.

Therefore, by the very words of Christ himself, the Spirit of God is clearly not only in the Bible.

I incidentally watched the entire “The Bible” series on the History Channel. Sure, it did not follow the storyline contained in the Bible word for word, but the MESSAGE WAS NOT LOST. Which in my opinion was more important.

4 posted on 04/02/2013 8:43:17 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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...only half that many (4%) identified the Torah as holy literature...

Oops... Given that the Torah (whether you define it as the Pentateuch, first 5 books of the Bible; or as the entire Old Testament, the Tenakh) is part of the Bible - which 80% reported as believing to be sacred - I don't quite understand this response ("4% identified the Torah as holy literature")...

5 posted on 04/02/2013 8:43:53 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Yesterday on Rush, we heard some alarming statistics on children being born out of wedlock or otherwise fatherless in the US. This will be a harbinger of things to come. There’s no escaping it. What are men to do about it? Find a girl, settle down...live happily ever-after or die trying? Not anymore...Not with this “War on Women” going on out there./s


6 posted on 04/02/2013 8:47:47 AM PDT by equaviator
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Not surprised about the small number of Catholics as Biblical Literalists. Catholocism is not a Biblically Literal religion. In fact, one of the more famous statements (and of course, controversial) by John Cardinal Newman is “Biblical literalism is the mother of all heresy.” It is not how we roll. We have four interpretations of Scripture: Historical, Analogical, Ethical, and Anagogical. Literal would get in the way of that.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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Read this for an example of the appalling ignorance of basic Bible in Big Media:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2013/04/01/ny-times-mortifying-easter-error-resurrection-heaven-jesus-three-days-a#ixzz2PGPUbCXM


9 posted on 04/02/2013 9:29:23 AM PDT by DManA
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Ancient words ever true...
Changing me and changing you.


16 posted on 04/02/2013 10:30:57 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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The article states.........”The biggest jump of any group are those American adults who are ‘antagonistic’ to the Bible,.... meaning they believe the Bible to just be a book of stories and teachings written by men, and they rarely or never read the Bible..... That group stood at one in ten adults (10%) in 2011.... In 2013, their ranks have grown to 17% of all U.S. adults.”.....

Hello Daniell....the article references “adults”....I would be interested in the youth of today...which could quite easily surpass 20% and far more, I think.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 10:32:57 AM PDT by caww
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I read the Bible at least once a day.


18 posted on 04/02/2013 10:37:00 AM PDT by Truth2012
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I imagine a few, I won’t call them problems, but more additions, to the Bible. And it won’t be solved with “rewriting the Bible” to produce a universal book, but working “outside the Bible”, to produce other resources for Christians.

The most important part of this could be called “The Bible, part II”, which begins with the schism of Christians and Jews, and follows *both* of them beyond those times.

I say this because their histories after that point, come in “fits and starts”, both at intervals producing brilliant ideas, and having major setbacks.

For instance, an entire “book” of this Bible II, could contain the creation of the “Mishnah”, the first written compendium of Judaism’s Oral Law, about 200 AD; and another “book” a synopsis of the First Council of Nicaea, the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom, about 350 AD.

There is some extremely important ideas coming from both groups that would deeply enrich Christian understanding of their faith, and the acceptance of Judaism as a “sister faith”, instead of a rival.

As it continues, it would mention the Jewish diaspora, the divisions within Christianity, and most importantly, the great ideas of faith and understanding that give depth and purpose to the modern world.

It should also not shy away from its failures and abuses, while not reveling in them.

In conclusion, the last Jewish “book” should be with the Holocaust and the creation of Israel. Perhaps the last Christian “book” would be the triumph of faith over socialist-communism, with the fall of the Soviet Union and its return to Christianity.

Time has separated all of us from the world of the Bible, and for many, the word as it is is not enough to make the connection. For years there have been efforts to change the word, to make it accessible, but they have failed. So what is needed is to make the connections, to close the gap of time.


19 posted on 04/02/2013 11:00:53 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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“72% of Catholics said that the will of the American people should have more influence than the Bible on US law”

Good grief. Catholics are the problem in this country, apparently. Perhaps someone should ask if they have more faith in Jesus or the government.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 11:01:33 AM PDT by txrefugee
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