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To: JLLH

As always, you have misquoted me and seek to blame me saying things I did not. I said you cannot offend me. You didn’t. Okay. All is well.

Likewise, I did not say that everyone has the Holy Spirit. I said and I gave Scriptural proof that everyone has the foundation thatJesus Christ himself laid. the light of which is in all men. All build on this foundation. Please read the words.

Once again, I will say to you, of what use is a light that shines in darkness? Does Scripture not state that if spiritual light shines in darkness, how great then is the light?

The Holy Spirit was sent to remind and to teach everything that Jesus taught. likewise, the Holy Spirit, brings to light the light which is the foundation of all men. How else can the light that shines in darkness begin to shine in light and truth, if not for the Holy Spirit?

Truly, read the words, read them and mediate on them. Pray for understanding. All you are refuting is your own words, because I have said nothing that I have not given full Scriptural proof. Are you so uncomfortable in your own belief that the only way you can shore it up is to misrepresent?

Refute all you like, spend your life looking down on others who do not share your views. I am perfectly fine with this, if this is who you are then God has made you this way for a reason. The reason though is not for me to know or surmise, rather it is to always search for common ground and that ground always is love and where there is love, there is light, the foundation of Christ himself.

I will agree with you 100% Scripture cannot contradict itself. I know this and can reconcile the entire Scriptures from beginning to end. The end does not end with Revelation, that my friend is only the beginning of the end.

From the Darby bible: John 12:32. and I, if I be lifted up out of the earth, will draw all to me.


43 posted on 04/04/2013 6:11:37 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

OK. One last post and then I’m done because we do not appear to be using the same terminology with the same meaning behind it. You claimed in your very first post that everyone has the spirit of Jesus (aka - the Holy Spirit since Jesus IS God and obviously part of the Trinity). Now you are claiming you did NOT say that everyone has the Holy Spirit. Clearly you are saying one or the other. FYI - I have misquoted nothing, but you are changing your tune from one to the other — which I strongly suspect is because you are confusing much of the terminology and perhaps it’s not clear even in your own mind. No idea. In any event, you claim I have “slammed” you, “looked down on you” and are now playing the victim card. I’m frankly not interested in continuing this charade since you are not seriously engaged. You know nothing about me and presume quite a bit when you claim what I’m feeling, doing, and need to do before God. You might want to return to Scripture and look again at the verses and WHO the ADDRESSEE is. Yes, Christ sent the Holy Spirit — but not for everyone. For His Followers. Ergo, not everyone has Jesus living in them. The “light” to which you keep referring — when addressed to the UNBELIEVER — refers to what God has given mankind through His creation. People should be able to look around and see that a Creator designed what they see. They have the Scriptures, they have creation, they have been shown enough. The Holy Spirit draws those who will be His unto Himself, but please don’t mistake that everyone “has” Jesus “living in them” because they do not and Scriptures do not teach that, regardless of the interpretation and spin you are putting on them. That would be a contradiction in terms. Others here have said the same thing I am saying but for whatever reason you have chosen to believe I am the only one who has done so. Whatever. I’m done here. This is completely unproductive because your motivation does not appear to be legitimate. I will pray the Lord opens your eyes.


45 posted on 04/04/2013 12:21:42 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: BornToBeAmerican

BTW, one cannot “have Jesus” and still be hell-bound. Hence, the charge of “universalism”. If everyone “has Jesus living in them” as you have claimed in your very first post, they are all Heaven-bound, which we know is not true from Scripture. Only the believers have Christ. This IS Scriptural. Somewhere along the line you have confused the term “light” with “Jesus” or the “Holy Spirit” and are in error. Scripture does not teach that everyone has Jesus. Scripture teaches that all NEED Jesus for salvation. If they already have Him, what need to go any further? Everyone’s already saved! (This view is a type of “universalism”, by the way, and is completely anathema to the Scriptural view.)

I have shown you in Scriptures where mankind is completely inherently sinful. You have chosen to believe otherwise - which you have stated in one of your posts —which is your “right”, but do not expect those who rest on the authority of God’s Word to agree with you on it because that notion is not Scriptural.


46 posted on 04/04/2013 12:34:35 PM PDT by JLLH
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