Skip to comments.Do Those Who Commit Suicide Go to Heaven?
Posted on 04/09/2013 1:22:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
"I'm sitting here with a loaded shotgun. I want my family back or I pull the trigger," Al* threatened over the phone. "And don't call the cops. I'll kill them before I let them put me in some institution."
What could I say to this troubled parishioner? His wife and son had left him, he had been demoted at work, and he felt the church was unsupportive of him.
"Well, God loves you and I love you."
"Yah, yah. But if I commit suicide, I'll go to hell! Right?"
Al's question brought up the age-old question: Do Christians who commit suicide go to heaven or hell? In second grade, my Sunday school teacher had hanged herself. "How could someone who led her class in singing 'Happiness is the Lord' be so sad?" I had questioned.
My questions continued into my adult life and ministry as
I talked with survivors of suicide attempts and read actual notes left by those claiming to be Christians who succeeded. For instance, sixteen-year-old Matt left the following note before ending his life with a .22 rifle:
You that heard me preach saw how God changed my life. He can change yours too!! When he does, you better not turn back. Discipline yourselves now!! Draw near to God through Jesus Christ now!!! If you don't . . . you may some day find yourselves hopeless. It's your choice.
GOD FORGIVE ME FOR NEGLECTING YOU AND FOR BECOMING SO COLD!! TAKE CARE OF MICHAEL AND MOM. HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL. AMEN."
And then a barrage of questions from Genny, a once bright, intelligent Christian women who since heart failure had become mentally impaired-and was well aware of her disability. Genny repeatedly tried to overdose with her heart medication. "Why didn't God just take me when my heart failed? I want to go home to be with Jesus."
I've come to two conclusions as I've dealt with questions of Al, Matt, Genny, and others:
Christians are not exempt from depression and, at times, despondency.
William Cowper, who wrote the popular gospel song "There Is a Fountain" proclaiming Christ's forgiveness and love, repeatedly attempted suicide. Even saints like Moses, Elijah, and Jonah went through periods of extreme depression and, yes, suicidal thoughts (Numbers 11:10-15, 1 Kings 19:1-5, and Jonah 4:9). I half joke that I would have committed suicide during junior high, but I knew if
I did, my parents would kill me. (The first part of that sentence is no joke.)
I believe the Bible is clear that we go to heaven or hell based on our relationship to Jesus Christ.
Yes, suicide raises many spiritual and psychological questions, but one thing is certain:
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it (Ephesians 2:8-9). We obtain heaven only by our belief in Jesus Christ as our Savior. And we go to hell only by our rejection of Jesus Christ as our Savior (Hebrews 6:4-6).
After nearly an hour, Al finally agreed to unload his weapon and meet his wife and son at the local police station. He has since been reconciled with his wife and found a church where he feels more accepted.
While I still fear the midnight calls from those contemplating suicide, I am assured that God dearly loves those who feel so depressed and desperate, and He will judge their actions with His mercy and justice based on their relationship with His Son.
* All names have been changed.
-- James Watkins is the author of 16 books and a public speaker. His website is: http://www.jameswatkins.com/
Amen to that...but:even if the believer is so stricken that he takes his own life out of despair....??
I think so....
Well, maybe if bo committed suicide, that great humanitarian act would get him to heaven??? Due to all the good he just did for so many.
Maybe like a reverse Judas?
THAT is NOT suicide.....that is the GREATEST GIFT a human can give another human.
Any right person knows that mental illness is indeed a medical problem and in many cases the chemical imbalance in the brain will cause severe depression and ultimate death. That's a proven.......
But you know that yet you continue to drop into these threads spouting your crap..........
Anyone can opine on such things, but there is no one commenting here nor anyone on the planet who can answer your question.
(That will not stop some from claiming to know the answer.)
You will have to make your own decision on this one. This is true for many more questions as well.
The end result is the same in all cases, just the circumstances differ. To me, that makes taking your own life relative to the situation.
Does it matter who’s side you are on when it comes to a suicide mission in the military?
Does it matter if you are going to be put to death because of something you believe in?
“... mental illness is indeed a medical problem... cause severe depression and ultimate death”.
I’ve known two people who committed suicide and both suffered from a mental disorder. By “suffer”, I truly mean they suffered. The depression was as debilitating as any other type of medical illness. Both tried numerous doctors, psychiatrists, medications and hospitalizations from their teens on. Yet both never found a cure and both committed suicide. They were not “bad” people. Both were loving people and tried their hardest to survive. I don’t think for one moment that they are in hell. Did they hurt their families when they died? Yes, but no differently than a teen driving drunk that is killed by slamming into a tree or any other similar type death. Just my thoughts...
I would say, ‘I’m sorry for your loss, I don’t know what else to say’, and walk away.
How do you know that God didn't make an exception and allowed his last suicide victim to take their life?
But I digress, why would God inflict a mental illness so severe on an individual that would cause that individual to take his own life?
Our streets are filled with homeless prophesiers claiming the end of the world is coming tomorrow, are they crazy or are they true messengers of God?
What matters is your greater intent. If your intent is to commit suicide, presuming you are not mentally ill, you are guilty of a sin. However, if you die as a consequence of pursuing a greater good you have not sinned.
Peace be with you
The end result is the same, isn’t it? Is it ok, just because of the circumstance?
“To thine own self be true”
But you know that yet you continue to drop into these threads spouting your crap..........
Crap? Who the hell are you and why can't you read and understand 4 simple sentences. Here. I'll post them again in bold font so you won't miss them. And try and understand the last sentence. Hint. It's sarcasm. It alludes to the fact that people who commit suicide are not right thinking.
Now. If you still don't understand this, go ask an adult for help.
Well, it’s not like God doesn’t know you’re going to commit suicide.
and God knows your intent, right/ In fact, He knew you were going to commit suicide, before you were even conceived, didn’t He?
I hate these threads, it brings out everything I find disgusting about this alleged christian, conservative site..............
Yes, God is omniscient.
Peace and blessings
The Parable of the Lost Sheep
10 See that you despise not one of these little ones: for I say to you, that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father who is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 What think you? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them should go astray: doth he not leave the ninety-nine in the mountains, and go to seek that which is gone astray? 13 And if it so be that he find it: Amen I say to you, he rejoiceth more for that, than for the ninety-nine that went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father, who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
And why would that be? Perhaps a mental illness problem that not even your God can prevent, or maybe he actually created?
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Is a person diagnosed with schizophrenia even capable of recognizing God and Jesus Christ?
Or are they just selfish as you claim?
Seems like it must be ok with Him, otherwise, why create you if He knows you’re going to commit suicide and go to hell?
Catholic practice used to be that bodies of suicides could not be brought into the church for funeral Mass, and they were buried in unconsecrated ground in the rear of the cemetery lot. I remember seeing one such grave & being told, “He killed himself”. There was a large pine tree growing out of the grave next to the headstone.
Nowadays the Church usually declares suicides to have acted while not in their right mind & therefore guiltless, and are accorded Christian burial.
No different than a pregnant woman told that she could DIE if she gives birth and DOESN”T ABORT, but gives birth and dies in childbirth......TICKET TO HEAVEN!!!
These type of threads are certainly tricky. There are so many reasons as to why a person may or may not commit suicide or how that is even defined. For example, the wife of my husbands boss did not permit cancer treatment that may have cured her illness. She chose to carry her baby, deliver her and die from the cancer. Was that suicide? A person suffering from mental illness may commit suicide but is that any different than a person under the influence of drugs and walks out into traffic? Both minds were altered and both died. I think this type of thread may hit on some raw nerves for the simple reason that some of us have personally known people who have committed suicide. We have seen their struggles and we have seen how kind and loving they were when not in the grasp of illness. For someone to say that they are condemned is simply not OUR place. It is in the Lord’s hands and to be honest... that is exactly where it should be. Hugs, HT!
Those who commit suicide do not go anywhere...i.e.....they sit in limbo until their actual “termination” date arrives, (before we are born we decide when we want to die, God reviews and HE decides when our actual “termination” date will be) (this is my belief, you don’t have to believe and you don’t have to condemn me for what my belief is, we all have different theories) after limbo, they meet their maker, are reincarnated and come back to learn whatever lesson(s) they didn’t learn the last time on Earth.
No. Thou Shalt Not Murder. There's a difference, a big difference. At times it is necessary to kill in order to protect your own life or property. It is also necessary if you are sent to protect your country. It is not an easy question to answer but it is not kill=murder=suicide. No, not that easy.
I’d say it depends entirely upon whether or not the person in question was the “Poor of Spirit” (”Blessed are the...”)that Jesus spoke of.
This is ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense on any level.
Know when you’re beaten by logic, son.
So Jesus did not die for all my sins over 2000 years ago?
Do you think those people who weigh 600 pounds and are eating themselves into coronaries aren’t suicidal?
Are you saying God isn’t strong enough to guard our salvation, even from ourselves?
I have read it, and still nothing can separate me from the love of God, which is in Christ. Nothing.
The seed that grows in rocky ground accepted the Word. It’s saved. Ineffective for the kingdom & not producing fruit, but still saved.
I agree with you. If a person is mentally ill, and not responsible for his/her behavior, I believe God’s mercy is right there.
Really? You know this?
>>Do you think those people who weigh 600 pounds and are eating themselves into coronaries arent suicidal?
Of course not. That’s ridiculous. Suicide is a single act that takes your own life, not a lifetime of accumulated bad habits.
An age old Christian question. What is more noble, the volunteer or the volunteer? Explore your heart; the one God gave you. Get lost. explore, explore and explore. Then come to God..... your Father, your savior and your life.
By reading some of these posts, I wonder.....
Suppose that willingly taking your own life is, in fact, self-murder or suicide. Does that not also mean the soldier who falls upon a live grenade has willingly ended his own life? Entering into any act, for a noble cause or deed, knowing your life will end, is by definition, suicide.
Be wary of blanket assumptions and assertions.
nonsense...salvation is a gift from God, we have a free will and are certainly free to refuse the gift.
Romans 8:18: For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
II Timothy 4:8: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Once you accept the gift, you’re going to heaven. If you refuse the gift, you’ve never accepted it. But God doesn’t take it back, no matter what you do.
When Christ died for your sins, how many of them were in the future? ALL of them. He has already forgiven the shortcoming.
No need for fancy words, just say you can’t answer.
I thought is was thou shalt not murder....is suicide murder ?
“So Jesus did not die for all my sins over 2000 years ago?”
Penitence. Look it up. You can kill yourself and be assured of Heaven? So go rob a bank, live high on the hog and be assured of heaven after all. It just COULDN’T work that way. It makes no sense.