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To: fuzzylogic
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This whole thing is bs.

What the Church needs to realize is that they’re not even required to file for 501c3 ...



I respectfully disagree, point by point ...


First of all, I've attempted to write this in "love" ... and NOT go-off on a self-righteous holier-than-thou rant ...

Every Christian pastor and church leader in the United States should be gently challenged to read this post.


Next ... church "corporations" (the entity that pays the building loan and school bus insurance) MUST apply for Federal Tax-Exempt Status.

Period.

It is NOT automatically granted.

Federal Tax-Exempt "corporations" (churches, united way, the SPCA) are given special federal tax-numbers, reflecting that tax-exempt status is a "special privilege".


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You are correct about taxation's "POWER TO DESTROY".

The power to tax is the power to destroy.

ATTRIBUTION: This quotation comes from the words of DANIEL WEBSTER and those of JOHN MARSHALL in the Supreme Court case, McCulloch v. Maryland.

Webster, in arguing the case, said: “An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy,” 17 U.S. 327 (1819).

In his decision, Chief Justice Marshall said: “That the power of taxing it [the bank] by the States may be exercised so as to destroy it, is too obvious to be denied” (p. 427), and “That the power to tax involves the power to destroy … [is] not to be denied” (p. 431).

Source: http://www.bartleby.com/73/1798.html



FuzzyLogic ... and other Christians ...ask yourself this question:

"WHY" would the U.S. Congress in 1934 pass special legislation that REQUIRED tax-exempt organizations (Christian Churches) ...

PROHIBITING these Christian Churches from attempting to get Legislation passed ?

Because ... America's businesses had lost BILLIONS $$$ during Prohibition's reign from 1919 to 1934.

These same American businesses VOWED IN RETALIATION that American Churches would NEVER again cause them financial loss or damage.

So these American businesses LOBBIED the U.S. Congress to PROHIBIT American Churches from attempting to pass legislation.

In a sense, it's very similar to what the United States did to Japan's military after World War II.

The "Imperial Japanese Navy" (IJN) had bitterly damaged the United States vis-a-via it's powerful force of Aircraft Carriers, starting with Pearl Harbor.

With unconditional victory in hand, the United States DICTATED to the defeated Japanese that they would NEVER be allowed to have Aircraft Carriers.

Dittos for American Churches after Prohibition was repealed in 1934.

The "politically-defeated" American Churches were FORCED to be POLITICALLY CASTRATED ... in exchange for an annual "thirty pieces of silver" allowance from Uncle Sam.



The churches could have STOOD STRONG in 1934 ... had genuine faith in Jesus Christ's SUPERNATURAL PROVISION ... and declined the "Political Slavery" of IRS 501 C-3.

Unfortunately ... America's Christian Churches ACCEPTED Satan’s "bride" of "political hush money" ...

and decided that beautiful buildings, and Christian radio and television stations were more important than "spiritual purity".



America's Christian Churches made the same WOEFUL decision that Esau made ABANDONING and THROWING-AWAY his "spiritual birthright".

America's Christian Pastors always criticize Esau as a "spiritual moron" for trading his father Jacob's Spiritual Blessing for a simple bowl of soup.

Esau had "no" self-discipline. Esau was more worried about his physical appetite that The LORD's "best blessings" for his life.

How are America's Christian churches different regarding their IRS 501 C-3 "political hush money" tax-exempt status ?

Sadly, "NO different than Esau".

America's Christian Churches TRUST UNCLE SAM more than they do the supernatural power of Jesus Christ ... the GREAT I AM ... the Alpha and Omega.

Sure, it's GREAT to hear these "incredible" church choirs sing MAGNIFICENT HYMN of PRAISE every Sunday and at Christmas ...

but ... again ... sadly, these same "beautiful cathedrals" ... put their FINANCIAL TRUST in UNCLE SAM ...

just like ancient Israel STUPIDLY put their SPIRITUAL trust in armies, horses and chariots.

IRS 501 C-3 is SATAN's "spiritual soup" served-up by the trough to America's Christian Churches ...

And we American Christian Churches ... just like Esau or hungry pigs ... feed our financial faces ... every April 15 with the U.S. Government's "thirty pieces of silver" ...

That damned SATANIC "thirty pieces of silver" is pretty convenient !!!

It helps pay for the churches' new Sunday School Addition, giant Flat-Screen TV Displays, sending Missionaries to Africa, radio and television air broadcast time ... and of course, air-conditioned buildings.

So much for that "targeted criticism" towards Church Leadership.



But what about "me" and "you", Fuzzy Logic ?

Don't we "treasure" that annual IRS 501 C-3 "tax refund" that SATAN blesses us with for attending an American "crystal cathedral" IRS 501 C-3 tax-exempt church ?

We might even use that SATANIC tax-refund to send a missionary to South America ... or buy food for Christian Widows and Orphans ...

and really feel SPECIAL about how "WONDERFUL" we are as Christians.


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What NONSENSE !!!

What an INCREDIBLE LIE from Satan that is.



What about Judas Iscariot's "thirty pieces of silver" ???

What if Judas Iscariot had given that "sin money" to Widows and Orphans ?

What if Judas Iscariot had given that "sin money" to the Apostles NEW CHURCH BUILDING in Jerusalem ?

What if Judas Iscariot had given that "sin money" to print copies of the (still unwritten) New Testament ?


Would those theoretically "good" financial donations made that "thirty pieces of silver" any better ?

Would Jesus Christ have "smiled" and "thanked" Judas Iscariot for his otherwise "great" financial gifts toward the Church and spread the Gospel ?

Nope. Zero. Nada. Zip.



And Jesus Christ looks at America's Christian Churches ... and their SATANIC BRIBE-TAKING ... via IRS 501 C-3 tax-exempt status ...

... exactly the same way.


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15 posted on 05/03/2013 11:20:44 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Piss upon Obama, and his False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

I completely agree that the intent is to “shut up” the Church. Today’s politics often tread all over theological issues - ultimately, all law is based on an ethics system. Ours came from Judeo-Christian ethics. Which is why people are wrong when they say politics should have nothing to do with religion - you can’t separate them, which is different than having a religious institution running the government - aka “separation of Church and State”, the thing is - that goes both ways. The government has no business taxing a Church because they don’t like it’s message with respect to policy, they don’t have the authority to do so.

My point is, the Church should stop bowing to 501c3, ignore it, let the government start taxing you - then *challenge* it in court, again and again. The Feds have no right to tax the Church. Just because, one day, the IRS says, “oh, but you now need to register” doesn’t make it a legitimate demand that must be adhered to. It’s the same as other rights, we have them, the government doesn’t have the power to just declare “we’re taking one of them away”, or, “we decided that right comes with a new ‘but’”.

The government is not the master of the Church, we do not need to “comply”. The truth of God is not a slave to the Federal government, never was prior to 1953.

http://creationwiki.org/501c3
http://www.boundaries-for-effective-ministry.org/501c3-application.html


20 posted on 05/03/2013 12:07:14 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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