Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Salvation; shankbear
Huh? “Unless you eat by Body and drink my Blood you will not have life everlasting.” This is the Eucharist — words of Jesus. Are you a Catholic and do you receive the transubtantiated bread and wine as the Body and Blood of Christ?

Do you think that ONLY Catholics have the right interpretation of that passage of Scripture? Are you aware that the early church understood Jesus' words to mean a "by faith" receiving of Him and that "eating his flesh and drinking his blood" meant they had believed in Him? This article examines the writings of Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian of Carthage, Irenaeus of Lyons, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, and a contribution from Origen in order to show that the ancient church never believed, taught or even conceived any doctrine like the real presence dogma:

http://onefold.wordpress.com/early-church-evidence-refutes-real-presence/.

15 posted on 05/10/2013 8:18:13 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]


To: boatbums

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


18 posted on 05/10/2013 8:20:52 PM PDT by narses
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies ]

To: boatbums
That is so convoluted by a "lawyer" it is pathetic. Go read the original source material. Even in the quotes the article is wrong. Astonishing.

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html

45 posted on 05/10/2013 9:34:07 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies ]

To: boatbums

Yet you would reject the text which states that “this is My body”, this is “my blood”.

See, here’s the problem boatbums. You can cite Father after Father after Father, but in the end it comes down to this.

Do we see any of the fathers defend your position that communion is ‘symbolic’, and deny the Real Presence? I want to see it. Show me!


51 posted on 05/10/2013 9:41:34 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies ]

To: boatbums
Funny, because Tertullian and Origen were both heretics (by both Catholic and Evangelical standards). Their writings can be useful, but they can't be considered even a little authoritative as teachers, only useful as witnesses.

OTOH, Ignatius, with a better claim on apostolicity than anyone you mention, clearly teaches the Catholic doctrine.

So does Augustine of Hippo, who's supposedly "the first Protestant", or so we're told.

Of course it's clearly taught in Scripture as well, which is why there were no significant challenges to it until the 8th century.

93 posted on 05/11/2013 6:02:07 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson