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To: patlin
How can someone be placed “back under” something they were never under before?

That is what the Galatians were in danger of supposing.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

And certain men which came down from Judæa taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. (Acts 15:1)

You are no preaching any new heresy. You cannot be under the law without having to be circumcisied as a matter of obedience, but the literal command to do so is clearly abrogated. . As will be explained, saving faith does not mean one must be circumscribed and keep all the law, as the censored Judaizers taught. .

Timothy did it our of love and obedience as He was entering God's shepherd-ship...

Rather, Timothy "would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek." (Acts 16:3)

This was wise in accordance with "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law." (1 Corinthians 9:20)

Timothy was under no obligation to be circumcised as a matter of the obedience of faith, any more than one needs to observe regulations regarding "meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." (Hebrews 9:10)

And it was thus that foods that were aforetime unlawful due to being unsanctioned or defiled, which typified the Gentiles, are cleansed and lawful. (Acts 10:11-16; Rm. 14:14; 1Tim. 4:3-5) The attempts to negate this are examples of cultic sophistry (like trying to make Rm. 14 to simply refer to meats sold in pagan markers!) .

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. (Galatians 6:15)

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

as I have said before, our works is evidence of our faith

I have maybe said the latter more than you, as it is true that the faith that appropriates justification without works is of a kind that effects obedience toward its Object, the Lord Jesus. And which works justify one as having saving faith. The issue is whether this means ones is under obligation to literally keep all the law as a matter of the obedience of faith, and the answer to that is manifestly no.

223 posted on 05/14/2013 1:38:25 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Jesus said that ALL that He did, His followers shall do also. What part of 'ALL' is so hard to comprehend?

Joh 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also. ... 15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. ... 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."

The Son came to teach us about the Father just as He has been doing from the beginning. He came with nothing new, He simply taught that which is the Father's eternal Truth that is the cornerstone, the foundation stone of all creation.

240 posted on 05/14/2013 8:24:26 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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