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To: roamer_1
Your reading of this thing cannot be, as the Torah declares from the very beginning that the Sabbath Day is eternally sanctified and set apart.

Your citation(s), please.

YHWH is the *only* one that does not allow it. What is said first cannot be altered by what is said last. Period. YHWH's Word does not return to Him empty. Ever. This is the reason that the Hebrews were instructed as they were wrt identifying false prophets - No one can change the Torah. *NO_ONE*. And no prophet can change what the prophets before him have said.

No one here, including me, is suggesting that the Word of God has changed.

So either you are wrong, or the Torah is wrong (and YHWH is made a liar), or one or more of the prophets are wrong (and YHWH is made a liar).

I think you are postulating a false dichotomy here based on your own presuppositions about the meaning of the word "eternally" in relation to the Sabbath.

Cordially,

257 posted on 05/15/2013 3:28:22 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond

Gen 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exo 31:13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
Exo 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ “

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.
Eze 20:23 Also I raised My hand in an oath to those in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the Gentiles and disperse them throughout the countries,
Eze 20:24 because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, profaned My Sabbaths, and their eyes were fixed on their fathers’ idols.
Eze 20:25 “Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good, and judgments by which they could not live;

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
Isa 56:3 Do not let the son of the foreigner Who has joined himself to the LORD Speak, saying, “The LORD has utterly separated me from His people” ...
Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—
Isa 56:7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, “Yet I will gather to him Others besides those who are gathered to him.”


261 posted on 05/15/2013 6:01:02 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Diamond
Your citation(s), please.

Probably a redundancy to show you - we both seem to know where they are.

No one here, including me, is suggesting that the Word of God has changed.

Oh, but some here DO believe exactly that - Had that argument just days ago (on a different topic).

I think you are postulating a false dichotomy here based on your own presuppositions about the meaning of the word "eternally" in relation to the Sabbath.

I have heard this argument before - But then, in order to use age, aeon, or the like, you will have to convince me that the prophets have been fulfilled too, lest your point be made moot - As I have already said, the prophets declare that the law will go forth from Jerusalem, and the Sabbaths of YHWH will be honored around the world (by everyone). That, I can assure you, has not happened as of this date... Or perhaps you'd care to suppose that these are different Sabbaths (which also cannot be true - three are precisely named)... But one way or another, the 'age' you might see would needfully be measured by the prophets, and it seems to me that measurement cannot have reached it's end.

And one would have to also negate the command to the Hebrews that the Sabbaths be observed perpetually (levitical law)- A commandment declared explicitly is not removed by way of an arcane and obscure interpretation of prophecy (literal sense, no offense meant). It is just bad form. That which was explicitly declared cannot be annulled by inference, lest any inference can be used likewise... What a can of worms that would open up! If the Sabbaths are to end, no doubt such a thing should be explicitly declared as well, wouldn't you think? Such a commandment (to end) would have to be extraordinarily delivered, as no Hebrew would believe it otherwise as such a messenger, whether a prophet or even an angel, would be considered false on the basis of clear law in the Torah.

277 posted on 05/16/2013 9:41:42 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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