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To: Mrs. Don-o

When, for the first time in my life, I hear Catholics praying “Hail Jesus, full of grace and truth,” I’ll start taking their theology more seriously.


60 posted on 05/26/2013 1:00:19 PM PDT by cookcounty (They thought he was the Black Lincoln. But he's the Black Nixon.)
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To: cookcounty

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


62 posted on 05/26/2013 1:03:59 PM PDT by narses
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To: cookcounty

“Hail Jesus, full of grace and truth.”

There, you got it!

Mary is mentioned only once -- once -- in the Mass, and that is when we are asking everybody to pray for us:

I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have greatly sinned, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault; therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-virgin, all the angels and saints, and you, my brothers and sisters [that includes you, cookcounty], to pray for me to the Lord our God.

That comes, as I said, once, in the context of intercessory prayer only. We are asking Mary, and you, to pray for us. We don't adore her, any more than we adore you.

(Not that I don't like you, cookcounty, it's just that we are not worshipping you, believe me.)

The Mass then proceeds for another about 20-50 minutes' worth of prayer, beginning with these words:

" Glory to God in the highest,
and peace to his people on earth.
Lord God, heavenly King,
almighty God and Father,
we worship you,
we give you thanks,
we praise you for your glory.
Lord Jesus Christ,
only Son of the Father,
Lord God, Lamb of God,
you take away the sin of the world:
have mercy on us;
you are seated at the right hand of the Father:
receive our prayer.
For you alone are the Holy One,
you alone are the Lord,
you alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ,
with the Holy spirit,
in the glory of God the Father.
Amen."
If we worshipped Mary, she would be in that prayer somewhere. But we don't, so she's not.

Do you perceive the difference?

89 posted on 05/26/2013 3:05:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: cookcounty
"When, for the first time in my life, I hear Catholics praying "Hail Jesus, full of grace...

Scripture identifies three people full of Grace; Mary (Luke Chapt 1), Jesus (John Chapt 1) and Stephen (Acts Chapt 6). Do you have a problem with Scripture?

Peace be with you

120 posted on 05/26/2013 10:20:59 PM PDT by Natural Law (Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.)
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