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WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH
Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer

WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH--BLAME THE TEXT BOOKS, BLAME THE TEACHING METHODS AND BLAME THE PARENTS, BUT BLAME THE BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND CATECHISTS TOO, BLAME EVERYONE INCLUDING SATAN, EXCEPT NO ONE TEACHES ABOUT HIM ANYMORE OTHER THAN POPE FRANCIS, DON'T BLAME HIM!

Do our Catholic children and most adults know what these images teach?

All of us know one of the elephants in the room of the Catholic Church. Our religious education programs are not handing on the essence of our Catholic Faith, our parents are befuddled about their role in handing on the faith and the materials we use are vapid or if good do not make an impression on young minds. We are afraid of asking for memorization and thus most don't remember anything they've learned about God and Church other than some niceties and feel good emotions.

I teach each class of our grades 1-6 (we don't have 7th or 8th) each Thursday, rotating classes from week to week. For the last two years I have used Baltimore Catechism #1 as my text book. It is wonderful to use with children and it is so simple yet has so much content. If Catholics, all Catholics, simply studied Baltimore Catechism #1, we would have very knowledgeable Catholics.

These past two years I've used Baltimore Catechism #2 with our adult religious program which we call Coffee and Conversation following our 9:30 AM Sunday Mass, which coincides with our CCD program which we call PREP (Parish Religious Education Program).

This #2 book has more content and is for middle school, but upper elementary school children must have been more capable of more serious content back when this book was formulated and used through the mid 1960's because it is a great book to use with adults and not childish at all. We all use this same book as a supplemental book for the RCIA because it is so clear, nobly simple and chocked full of content!

Yes, there are some adjustments that need to be made to some chapters, but not that many, in light of Vatican II and the new emphasis we have on certain aspects of Church that are not present in the Baltimore Catechism. But these are really minor.

What is more important though is that when the Baltimore Catechism was used through the mid 1960's it was basically the only book that was used for children in elementary and junior high school. It was used across the board in the USA thus uniting all Catholics in learning the same content. There was not, in other words, a cottage industry of competing publishing houses selling new books and different content each year.

The same thing has occurred with liturgical music, a cottage industry of big bucks has developed around the sale of new hymnals, missalettes and new music put on the open market for parishes to purchase. It is a money making scheme.

Why do our bishop allow this to happen in both liturgical music and parish catechesis? The business of selling stuff to parishes and making mega bucks off of it is a scandal that has not be addressed.

In the meantime, our liturgies suffer and become fragmented because every parish uses a different resource for liturgical music and the same is true of religious formation, everyone uses something different of differing quality or no quality at all.

Isn't it time to wake up and move forward with tried and true practices that were tossed out in favor of a consumerist's approach to our faith that has weakened our liturgies, our parishes and our individual Catholics?


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catechism; catholic; catholicsects; ignorantprotestants; papalpromotion; traditionalcatholic
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To: metmom
"This power to believe in Faith is in the soul, like the power to see is in the eye."

Sorry, punctuation error. It should have read:

This power to believe, in Faith, is in the soul, like the power to see is in the eye.

Peace be to you

1,421 posted on 06/08/2013 6:22:51 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Elsie
That is NOT how the text reads...

Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Rev 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it

1,422 posted on 06/08/2013 6:22:59 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: bonfire

There’s a lot of disturbing projection when it comes to Mary and her virginity.


1,423 posted on 06/08/2013 6:25:32 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Problem is, she was betrothed to Joseph at the time the angel visited her."

You have your Mariology and Ecclesiology confused. It is the Church, not Mary that is the bride.

1,424 posted on 06/08/2013 6:28:55 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom; Elsie

Christianity is more than what is written down in the Bible, or what is interpreted by Martin Luther’s any milkmaid.


1,425 posted on 06/08/2013 7:32:54 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
The passage you posted had nothing to do with answering for disregarding the church. Nor does your reference to Paul have anything to do with it.

It has everything to do with it.

It's all about Jesus, Mark. Only about Jesus. Not the *church*. Not the pope. Not Mary. Not saints, angels, incense, works, baptism, confirmation, rites, rituals, sacraments, penance, nothing but Jesus.

From the Protestants, it has only to do with the god in the mirror.

Peter tells us that there is no other name under heaven by which we MUST be saved. Acts 4:12. Listen to the guy you claim to be your first pope.

Agreed. The trouble is that many Protestants mix up their name with the name of God.

1,426 posted on 06/08/2013 7:36:18 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool
There will be no Christians at this judgment...Ignorance of scripture will be no excuse...

Uh huh. You keep saying this. You keep on being wrong.

1,427 posted on 06/08/2013 7:37:22 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool
Since the writing of scripture was inspired by God, God must have figured that 'those' teachings were self evident and He had no idea Martin Luther would arise... I just wanted to magnify the ignorance of your post...

The NT Scripture was inspired by God, not dictated. You may wish to note the difference.

1,428 posted on 06/08/2013 7:38:35 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
Then what will you present?

The righteousness of Christ credited to our account.

But only if you persevere to the end. Only if you remain in the Faith until the end. I believe that you have said that you have repudiated it. I wonder how that is going to work out.

1,429 posted on 06/08/2013 7:40:42 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
"What must we do..."

Jesus is plain.

1,430 posted on 06/08/2013 7:41:26 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
We had no idea that such as Martin Luther would arise.

OR that it would be the corruption found at the HEART of the 'church' that would elevate him.

Who knew that Judas would turn out as he did?

1,431 posted on 06/08/2013 7:42:20 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: boatbums; Elsie; Natural Law

The issue is not whether the baby ‘gets’ its blood from the mother. The question was whether the blood mixes. It does.


1,432 posted on 06/08/2013 7:44:32 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
The issue is not whether the baby ‘gets’ its blood from the mother. The question was whether the blood mixes. It does.

John 6:63 "The flesh profits nothing"

1,433 posted on 06/08/2013 7:57:38 AM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: bkaycee

That wasn’t the point of the post. If you guys are wrong about this, what else are you wrong about?


1,434 posted on 06/08/2013 8:13:40 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool

Why underline those?

You made the statement that CHRISTIANS would NOT be at the White Throne judgement.

I posted the WHOLE passage to show that they would.


Is YOUR name written in the Lamb’s BoL?


1,435 posted on 06/08/2013 8:19:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr
Christianity is more than what is written down in the Bible...

"What MUST we do..."

1,436 posted on 06/08/2013 8:20:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr
... or what is interpreted by Martin Luther’s any milkmaid.

Is this calculated to raise a PROTESTant's hackles?

1,437 posted on 06/08/2013 8:21:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr
From the Protestants, it has only to do with the god in the mirror.

From the Catholics, it has only to do with the god in the icons.

1,438 posted on 06/08/2013 8:22:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr
The NT Scripture was inspired by God, not dictated.

And the Magisterium output (at least by a 50%+ vote) is supposedly inspired, too. Right?

1,439 posted on 06/08/2013 8:24:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr
Only if you remain in the Faith until the end.

True dat.

(If 'in the Faith' means what I think it does.)

1,440 posted on 06/08/2013 8:25:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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