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WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH
Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer

WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH--BLAME THE TEXT BOOKS, BLAME THE TEACHING METHODS AND BLAME THE PARENTS, BUT BLAME THE BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND CATECHISTS TOO, BLAME EVERYONE INCLUDING SATAN, EXCEPT NO ONE TEACHES ABOUT HIM ANYMORE OTHER THAN POPE FRANCIS, DON'T BLAME HIM!

Do our Catholic children and most adults know what these images teach?

All of us know one of the elephants in the room of the Catholic Church. Our religious education programs are not handing on the essence of our Catholic Faith, our parents are befuddled about their role in handing on the faith and the materials we use are vapid or if good do not make an impression on young minds. We are afraid of asking for memorization and thus most don't remember anything they've learned about God and Church other than some niceties and feel good emotions.

I teach each class of our grades 1-6 (we don't have 7th or 8th) each Thursday, rotating classes from week to week. For the last two years I have used Baltimore Catechism #1 as my text book. It is wonderful to use with children and it is so simple yet has so much content. If Catholics, all Catholics, simply studied Baltimore Catechism #1, we would have very knowledgeable Catholics.

These past two years I've used Baltimore Catechism #2 with our adult religious program which we call Coffee and Conversation following our 9:30 AM Sunday Mass, which coincides with our CCD program which we call PREP (Parish Religious Education Program).

This #2 book has more content and is for middle school, but upper elementary school children must have been more capable of more serious content back when this book was formulated and used through the mid 1960's because it is a great book to use with adults and not childish at all. We all use this same book as a supplemental book for the RCIA because it is so clear, nobly simple and chocked full of content!

Yes, there are some adjustments that need to be made to some chapters, but not that many, in light of Vatican II and the new emphasis we have on certain aspects of Church that are not present in the Baltimore Catechism. But these are really minor.

What is more important though is that when the Baltimore Catechism was used through the mid 1960's it was basically the only book that was used for children in elementary and junior high school. It was used across the board in the USA thus uniting all Catholics in learning the same content. There was not, in other words, a cottage industry of competing publishing houses selling new books and different content each year.

The same thing has occurred with liturgical music, a cottage industry of big bucks has developed around the sale of new hymnals, missalettes and new music put on the open market for parishes to purchase. It is a money making scheme.

Why do our bishop allow this to happen in both liturgical music and parish catechesis? The business of selling stuff to parishes and making mega bucks off of it is a scandal that has not be addressed.

In the meantime, our liturgies suffer and become fragmented because every parish uses a different resource for liturgical music and the same is true of religious formation, everyone uses something different of differing quality or no quality at all.

Isn't it time to wake up and move forward with tried and true practices that were tossed out in favor of a consumerist's approach to our faith that has weakened our liturgies, our parishes and our individual Catholics?


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catechism; catholic; catholicsects; ignorantprotestants; papalpromotion; traditionalcatholic
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To: JCBreckenridge
"Are you saying John and Paul were all Presbyterians? Perhaps they were the Church of England."

Well, Paul was a Presbyterian, John was a Methodist, James was an Episcopalian, Andrew was a Rastafarian (Missouri Synod), John the Baptist was a Baptist, Simon the Zealot was a Zealot, Titus was a Pentecostal, Jude was a Jehovah's Witness, Timothy was a...

341 posted on 05/31/2013 8:25:44 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ( | www.catholic.com | www.newadvent.org | www.ewtn.com |)
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To: BipolarBob

**Did Jesus preach imprisonment of those who didn’t believe a certain way?**

Chapter and verse please.

Or is Jesus talking about heaven vs. hell at the end of the age?


342 posted on 05/31/2013 8:26:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bkaycee
It appears that about 10 verses have been infallibly interpreted by the RCC.

Very good, you are very close, much closer than the 200+ that I usually get from your side of the Tiber.

343 posted on 05/31/2013 8:26:31 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga
I did, so did Tim Staples, and Scott Hahn.

Right....I've listened to them both...They don't believe the bible because they constantly change the words to make it mean what it doesn't mean...I'd guess you do the same thing...

344 posted on 05/31/2013 8:26:45 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NYer

Public schools. Catholic schools that aren’t Catholic. Parents abdicating the job to someone else...


345 posted on 05/31/2013 8:27:38 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: RPTMS

And celebrated an agape meal and Mass on Sundays.


346 posted on 05/31/2013 8:28:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Could you point me to the official infallible interpretations of scripture?


347 posted on 05/31/2013 8:28:52 PM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: NYer

True. I’ve posted this true story before. When I was a Catholic taking “Lutheran lessons”, I had my Bible at work at a Catholic hospital. My Catholic co-workers asked why I was reading it! Maybe if they read it, they’d change minds.


348 posted on 05/31/2013 8:28:54 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: bkaycee
The early church.

Which was Catholic.

"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, 107 AD

349 posted on 05/31/2013 8:29:16 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Longbow1969

Again, this is contrary to what de Tocqueville writes about.

America has been substantially better off than every other developed nation in this category - even now, and has been for a very long time. This is something de Tocqueville established as a reason why Americans were special - because they eschewed contraception.

Look at the growth of wealth in the United States from 1870 to say, 1910. Compare it with the growth of wealth from 1970 to now. You say that contraception brings about wealth to the united states - why then was America growing faster than any other developed nation was was the richest at tehe same year.

Look at Sandra Fluke. Tell me that contraception doesn’t contribute to the decline of children born in wedlock, and the subsequent increase in the use of social services. It’s all right there.

Contraception use = greater socialism. Now, you’re claim is simply that Mexico was socialist before contraception use, I’m not sure how that negates my argument that contraception has transformed America into a much more socialist nation.


350 posted on 05/31/2013 8:29:55 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

You’ve got to be kidding! My baby sister had just died, I had been sent away for 2 days and when I returned home there was no crib, no sign there had ever been a baby in the house. I was only 10 and no talk of heaven could make me stop crying for her. So, the dear sister looks for me, approaches me, and says she’s heard about my sister and that she thinks it is wonderful! Do you really think I cared about her reasons? I just thought she was the most cold-hearted person I had ever met. And YES, I WAS SHOCKED!!


351 posted on 05/31/2013 8:31:18 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: bkaycee

And the early Church was founded by Jesus Christ himself on the apostles — the first Bishops!

You got it!


352 posted on 05/31/2013 8:31:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

“Right....I’ve listened to them both...They don’t believe the bible because they constantly change the words to make it mean what it doesn’t mean...I’d guess you do the same thing...”

Before or after he became Catholic?


353 posted on 05/31/2013 8:32:19 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Former Fetus; JCBreckenridge

>> “Granted, there were no Messianic Jews...” <<

.
What then do you think the disciples and apostles were?


354 posted on 05/31/2013 8:32:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bkaycee

“I am quite comfortable in saying that my experience is probably the majority experience. Its common knowledge.”

Where and when then since the other Catholics don’t seem to be corroborating your claims.


355 posted on 05/31/2013 8:33:00 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: bkaycee

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. Where do you get the idea that someone else founded it?


356 posted on 05/31/2013 8:33:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Former Fetus

You claim you were Catholic. This is standard Catholic teaching. You should have felt affirmed, not shocked.

Two things strike me:

1, you were poorly catechised.
2, you chose not to listen to the lessons that you were taught.


357 posted on 05/31/2013 8:35:06 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
“I am quite comfortable in saying that my experience is probably the majority experience. Its common knowledge.” Where and when then since the other Catholics don’t seem to be corroborating your claims.

I take it you do not agree with the Catholic who started this thread.

WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH

358 posted on 05/31/2013 8:35:41 PM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: Heart-Rest
"Well, Paul was a Presbyterian, John was a Methodist, James was an Episcopalian, Andrew was a Rastafarian (Missouri Synod), John the Baptist was a Baptist, Simon the Zealot was a Zealot, Titus was a Pentecostal, Jude was a Jehovah's Witness, Timothy was a..."

... and Judas was an Episcopagan...

360 posted on 05/31/2013 8:38:19 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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