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To: Natural Law; Greetings_Puny_Humans; JCBreckenridge

Not only that ,Augustine wrote the following later on from where GPH lifted it from Augustine’s writing on the Gospel of John

From + Augustine-Gospel Of John

“God gives bread. But what bread? Manna, perhaps? No, but the bread which manna signified, namely, the Lord Jesus Himself. My Father giveth you the true bread.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.xxvi.html

There is no doubt Augustine was talking about Eucharist since he wrote plenty about the Real Presence

Give it up, Greetings_Puny_Humans and quote your own father John Calvin- we won’t need to twist what he says since Calvin convicts himself on un- Christian gnosticism often enough!


1,788 posted on 06/11/2013 4:34:23 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatst gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

“There is no doubt Augustine was talking about Eucharist since he wrote plenty about the Real Presence”


No, he was referring to Jesus Christ. Here’s the whole paragraph:

” “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, not Moses gave you bread from heaven, but my Father gave you bread from heaven. For the true bread is He that cometh down from heaven, and giveth life to the world.” The true bread then is He that giveth life to the world; and the same is the meat of which I have spoken a little before,—“Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto eternal life.” Therefore, both that manna signified this meat, and all those signs were signs of me. Ye have longed for signs of me; do ye despise Him that was signified? Not Moses then gave bread from heaven: God gives bread. But what bread? Manna, perhaps? No, but the bread which manna signified, namely, the Lord Jesus Himself. My Father giveth you the true bread. “For the bread of God is He that cometh down from heaven, and giveth life to the world. Then said they unto Him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.” Like that Samaritan woman, to whom it was said, “Whoso drinketh of this water shall never thirst.” She, immediately understanding it in reference to the body, and wishing to be rid of want, said, “Give me, O Lord, of this water;” in the same manner also these said, “O Lord, give us this bread;” which may refresh us, and yet not fail.”

Notice how Augustine connects it with the “living water” from John 4 that Christ promises that a man must drink for eternal life. Yet, Augustine notes that “she immediately [understood] it in reference to the body,” rather than through spiritual drinking of living water through faith. Augustine continues:

““They said therefore unto Him, What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” For He had said to them, “Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto eternal life.” “What shall we do?” they ask; by observing what, shall we be able to fulfill this precept? “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He has sent.” This is then to eat the meat, not that which perisheth, but that which endureth unto eternal life. To what purpose dost thou make ready teeth and stomach? Believe, and thou hast eaten already. (Augustine, Tractate 25)

Augustine asserts that to eat and drink Jesus Christ is done through faith.

Thus, if you want this to refer to the Eucharist, I am totally in favor of you doing so, since it ruins your theology.

“Give it up, Greetings_Puny_Humans and quote your own father John Calvin- we won’t need to twist what he says since Calvin convicts himself on un- Christian gnosticism often enough!”


LOL


1,789 posted on 06/11/2013 4:44:36 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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