Horn-dog Prophet Placemarker
Posted on 07/12/2013 3:47:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
Interestingly tho...Mormons STILL did NOT go "public" with D&C 132 til 1852...when a book that included mention of Mormon Utah polygamy unveiled it earlier that same year.
So...quite interesting that Mormons invested so much in a Smith "doctrine" that was really only openly published and defended for just 38 years!
Be sure ya check out the many links in the article!
It would be kind of funny if someday the government forced plural marriage on the state of Utah.
Nothing is a dead issue, particularly the dead.
By the same token, you could say the U.S. government winked at it too. But, I doubt your theory is right. In 1953, when Arizona cracked down on polygamists, LDS supported it, and the Deseret News was one of the few newspapers to protray the raid as positively. The raid was criticized by the non-LDS world.
Yes...and no...
If you look @ that 2nd to the last link of the article -- the Pew poll -- supposedly only 2% of Mormons accept polygamy morally.
But that's this side of eternity "polygamy."
The fact is that Mormon policy ALLOWS for a guy to line up several serial wives in "forever" marriages in the Mormon temple. Upon death, then, he supposedly becomes an eternal polygamist.
The only thing is...that the guy's previous wife or wives have to be dead before he can add to his eternal harem.
Some of the CURRENT Lds "apostles" even have 2 such wives apiece.
“I get the sense that although the LDS church does not publicly support polygamy - indeed to the contrary it denounces it, there is still an undercurrent of acceptance.”
That undercurrent may be due to the LDS afterlife being clearly polygmous in nature.
The author is incorrect in one assertion. The author states “...polygamy was merely tolerated by God and never commanded by Him.” That is not entirely true.
Levirate marriage is a type of marriage in which the brother of a deceased man is obliged to marry his brother’s widow, and the widow is obliged to marry her deceased husband’s brother. Levirate marriage is law under Deuteronomy 25: 5-6
While not always the case, this could result in a plural marriage. In fact, there is no excuse or “out” if the brother is already married.
Horn-dog Prophet Placemarker
Sorry...but the way you state this is completely inaccurate.
First of all, there are conditions even for this coerced arrangement:
One such "condition" is if the dead man did not leave a son to carry on his name.
So...that automatically left out ALL moms who already had sons.
A second condition was for those brothers to have ALREADY been living together (v. 5).
That condition then did not REQUIRE that even a sonless wife move in with her brother-in-law.
Then, on top of all of that, my reading of Deut. 25 -- and you'll have to give me additional sources for me to consider something different here -- doesn't assume that the remaining brother-in-law is already married.
It may have been assumed in that culture that this applied to an unmarried brother-in-law.
Finally, we also know that if the widow's sister was married to this "live-in" brother-in-law, then Leviticus 18:18 specifically forbid any such "arrangement": 18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living."
I also note that while you cite Deut. 25, you didn't cite Deut. 17:17: 17 He must not take many wives...
Colofornian ~:” The only thing is...that the guy’s previous wife or wives have to be dead before he can add to his eternal harem.
Some of the CURRENT Lds “apostles” even have 2 such wives apiece. “
I beleive that is commonly called “ serial monogamy “
, as what happens when one wife is deceased .
Are you opposed to re-marriage after one’s mate is deceased ?
Or do you consider remarriage under such circumstances as ‘polygamy ‘ ?
taxcontrol :” Levirate marriage is law under Deuteronomy 25: 5-6 “
Levirate marriage exists only for the sake of line of inhertance, which follows only the male line , according to Jewish tradition .
Traditional Jewish priesthood , and ‘Jewishness’ if you will , is traced matrilinially .
What about Polygamy in the Bible????
Could it be that Abraham, Isaac?, Jacob as well as King David and Solomon, all ancestors of Jesus Christ himself ...
could be EVIL Polygamists?
Sorry Honey, if you have a problem with Mormons that practiced polygamy 125 years ago ..... you also have a problem with God sanctioned polygamy in the Bible.
Keep up the Smears, Innuendo, Distortions and Fabrications .... no one does it better than you!
“I beleive that is commonly called “ serial monogamy “
, as what happens when one wife is deceased .
Are you opposed to re-marriage after one’s mate is deceased ?
Or do you consider remarriage under such circumstances as ‘polygamy ‘ ?”
In Mormonism, you do not stop being married after death. The marriage is for eternity, and they will continue having sexual relations and children (if they are good enough to enter the Celestial heaven) to populate their own worlds.
In Christianity, marriage ends when one is dead.
Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Rom_7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
“Sorry Honey, if you have a problem with Mormons that practiced polygamy 125 years ago ..... you also have a problem with God sanctioned polygamy in the Bible.”
Except, that it wasn’t sanctioned. It was permitted for the hardness of their hearts, like divorce, but it wasn’t what God intended.
Mat_19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
If polygamy was sanctioned, then you wouldn’t be an adulterer to divorce your wife and marry someone else, per Christ:
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
What about it tepee? Did God command them to practice polygamy in order to entitle them to attain the CK? Better yet, what did Jesus say? He said one man - one wife and to marry another while the first is still living is adultery. Further, you will not find God ordering them to marry a woman who is already married to her still living husband. Or God ordering them to marry a mother and her daughter.
No smears or innuendo tepee - just simple facts that you conveniently ignore and try to sweep under the rug.
so .. answer the question :
Are you opposed to re-marriage after one’s mate is deceased ?
Or is that considered polygamy ?
“so .. answer the question :
Are you opposed to re-marriage after one’s mate is deceased ?
Or is that considered polygamy ?”
No, I am not opposed to re-marriage.
What I am opposed to is eternal polygamous marriage in heaven as taught and allegedly practiced by Mormons.
Hi teppe,
You wrote, “Keep up the Smears, Innuendo, Distortions and Fabrications .... no one does it better than you!”
I’m not sure what was said that was a smear? Would you please point one out?
I’m not sure what was said that was a innuendo? Would you please point one out?
I’m not sure what was said that was a distortion? Would you please point one out?
I’m not sure what was said that was a fabrication? Would you please point one out?
Did you really identify ANY of these things, or by using those words, did you intend to smear, use innuendo, distort or fabricate things to malign a FReeper’s character?
(Except that in Mormonism, marriage is FOREVER...meaning this is called eternal polygamy -- to Mormons, anyway--upon death)
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