Really??? There are millions upon millions of Christians who have never seen this proof...So I am sure you will be more than happy to provide this proof so we can quell this debate once for all...
That is why the early writings of the Christian community are so important in Catholic history. It is the Church who the Holy Spirit guided in the formation of the canon and it is the Holy Spirit who guided, and continues to guide, the Church in sifting through individual theologies, doctrines and interpretations of Scripture to declare what is true.
For those of us who refuse to accept any supposed authority as being higher than God and his words, I wouldn't waste five seconds with anyone who disagrees with the words of God...But that's why I'm not Catholic...
That Jesus rejected His mother and brethren in this passage is also a wrong understanding of what is being related by the author. Jesus does not reject them. Instead, He uses the moment to illustrate that all who hear the word of God and obeys are His mother, brothers and sister.
You can't leave the 'first' brothers out...They are in the narrative...They didn't even need to be there then if what you say is accurate...They are brothers...Brothers who do not obey what Jesus teaches...They are brothers but they are not Christians (at that time)...They are not cousins or kin since those Greek words are used in the scriptures to describe cousins and kin...
It has been amply proven that the use of brother, brothers, brethren, sister etc....is different in context and by the various authors throughout Scripture. There is simply no proof from Scripture that any of those called such in regards to Jesus are born of Mary.
Now why would you say that??? You have to know that we have bibles to check you out...
adelphos is used about 230 times in the New Testament and every single time it means a literal flesh and bone brother or a figurative brother, ie., Christian brother...Why embarrass yourself???
When one takes into account extra Biblical writings from the times closest to the events of Jesus’ life, those who were immediate successors to the Apostles and other disciples, there is no mention of descendents of Mary or Joseph. There is no mention of these brothers and sisters.
Flavius Josephus spoke of Jesus' literal brothers...
Mar 6:4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Let's see what's covered here...A prophet has no honor in his own country, among his cousins, and in his own house...We know Jesus was referring to himself as the prophet...
So if as you say Jesus had no brothers, who was it in Jesus' house that dishonored him??? His mother??? Joseph??? He already mentioned his cousins so we know it was not them...
So hey, what do you do with Jesus' sisters???
It's your religion against the bible...There is no debate...
So much for sola scriptura. The shoe is on the other foot now.
****Really??? There are millions upon millions of Christians who have never seen this proof...So I am sure you will be more than happy to provide this proof so we can quell this debate once for all...****
Yes, James’ mother was Mary’s sister making James a cousin to Jesus. Though Hebrew had no distinctions for first, second, third etc.....that is what he would have been given the relationship of his mother to Mary, our Lord’s mother.
There were two Apostles named James, one was the son of Mary and Alphaeus and the other the son of Zebedee and Salome.
Mary is called the sister of the mother of Jesus. The relationship is spelled out quite clearly by Scripture.
Millions, upon millions of Christians know the truth. Maybe those who don’t need better teachers.
******For those of us who refuse to accept any supposed authority as being higher than God and his words, I wouldn’t waste five seconds with anyone who disagrees with the words of God...But that’s why I’m not Catholic...*****
The Catholic Church has never claimed to be an authority higher than God. The Church is however, a higher authority than the person in the mirror.
*****You can’t leave the ‘first’ brothers out...They are in the narrative...They didn’t even need to be there then if what you say is accurate...They are brothers...Brothers who do not obey what Jesus teaches...They are brothers but they are not Christians (at that time)...They are not cousins or kin since those Greek words are used in the scriptures to describe cousins and kin...*****
Disregarding the inanity of this sentence, I read that exchange again. Scripture never says that those who came to speak with Jesus are not Christians, or that they did not obey what Jesus taught
If your Bible says differently, then you need a better one.
*****Now why would you say that??? You have to know that we have bibles to check you out...
adelphos is used about 230 times in the New Testament and every single time it means a literal flesh and bone brother or a figurative brother, ie., Christian brother...Why embarrass yourself???******
Again, overlooking the inanity of that sentence....thanks for proving my point.
******Flavius Josephus spoke of Jesus’ literal brothers...*****
Josephus calls James, the brother of Jesus, the Christ. The reference is no different than that of Paul’s in Galatians.
There is nothing about other literal brothers.
******So if as you say Jesus had no brothers, who was it in Jesus’ house that dishonored him??? His mother??? Joseph??? He already mentioned his cousins so we know it was not them...
So hey, what do you do with Jesus’ sisters???
It’s your religion against the bible...There is no debate...*****
Please remember that the debate is whether Mary had other children and note that I have never said that Jesus had no brothers or sisters.
I maintain, as does the Church that Mary had no other children other than our Lord, Jesus.
James was not Mary’s son. Scripture makes that clear. And no other men or women in Scripture are called Mary’s children.
What do I do with Jesus’ sisters? Nothing.
Scripture does not say that anyone in Jesus’ household dishonored him.
Jesus Rejected at Nazareth
1And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
Please stop wasting your time reading into Scripture what is not there.