Catch-22 for Catholic Hospitals under Obamacare

The moral outlook and sense of responsibility of people who voluntarily participate in murdering 180 million infants in the womb rather than being responsible and exercising self-control is basically no different than the moral outlook and sense of personal responsibility of people on the welfare rolls.

I would agree with that:

LifeSiteNews recently reported the unsurprising findings of a poll commissioned by The Washington Post and ABC stating that a majority of American Catholics are in favor of abortion in “all or most cases.”
-- from the thread Why you shouldn’t blame the clergy that a majority of Catholics support abortion
The disagreement over Notre Dame and Obama is essentially the same as the disagreement among clashing American Catholic camps over the issue of the moral and legal status of abortion itself. In fact, 61 percent of the “attend less often” Catholics believe that abortion rights should be protected in all or most cases, as opposed to 30 percent (still an interesting number) among the “attend weekly” Catholics.
— from the thread Those consistently complex “Catholic voters”
They may call themselves Catholics, and they may even go to Mass, but when it comes to life choices they are virtually indistinguishable from everyone else in America. They don’t live radical Christianity out in any real sort of way. Their lives look just like the lives of their worldly neighbors. They don’t give any more than the average joe. They seem just as likely to divorce their spouses, have only 2.5 children as their non Catholic neighbors and they seem just as materialistic as everyone else. They attend church if they feel like it, but if there’s a weekend football game or the call of the beach house they’re just as likely to respond to that demand. When it comes to voting, they’ll vote as they wish according to wherever they get their opinions from–TV, the newspaper, the mass media–just like their neighbors. The one source they won’t consider when informing their vote is their priests and bishops.
— from the thread Catholic Vote?
Are Catholics now so “successfully” assimilated into American political life that they are without political impact—that there really is no such thing as a “Catholic vote”? Unfortunately enough, Catholics are largely indistinguishable from non-Catholics and, despite a few pundits, no, there really is no “Catholic vote.” This obvious conclusion—clear enough from the fact that the vote for the winning candidates in the last national election was approximately the same for Catholics and non-Catholics—has serious current implications....
....Compare two lists: According to the USCCB, the five most Catholic states, in population, are: Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut. According to the American Life League, the states with the most pro-life legislation (i.e., inhibiting abortion in various ways) are: Oklahoma, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Arkansas and Texas. This is a shocker. In short, there is no Catholic political impact in support of life in those states reportedly having the most Catholics. As Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia put it, after the 2008 election, “[w]e need to stop overcounting our numbers, our influence, our institutions, and our resources, because they are not real.”
— from the thread The Mythical Catholic Vote: The Harmful Consequences of Political Assimilation

Well golly gee whiz, let's make illegal immigration illegal just like heroin and cocaine.

Well golly gee whiz, why make laws against murder, theft, or anything because people will just break those laws. Right?

Yeah, let's stick to anything but the real problem which is that the majority of the population is so hedonistic and immoral that they shrug off infanticide the same way Carthaginians sacrificed their children to Moloch, the god who they believed would grant them prosperity in return for their firstborn child.

We sure could have used some catechesis and leadership from the bishops over the past century. I'm not sure it would have made a difference but it couldn't have hurt. Maybe they'll come around some day.

In the meantime the battle must be fought by us non-statists on MANY fronts.

There's no comparison at all but the immigration garbage is brought up as if it's equally evil when the claim that Catholic Bishops in this country supported the passage of BarryCare is refuted.

There is a bigger picture here. The bishops were ready to support Obamacare as long as their line in the sand (abortion) was not crossed (see Cardinal O'Malley's remarks, post #34). If abortion was taken off the table tomorrow, they would be in full support of socialized medicine once again.

Here is an apt description of those whom they have been willing to collaborate with politically in their pursuit of "universal healthcare":

..."You understand, venerable brethren, that We speak of that sect of men who, under various and almost barbarous names, are called socialists, communists, or nihilists, and who, spread over all the world, and bound together by the closest ties in a wicked confederacy, no longer seek the shelter of secret meetings, but, openly and boldly marching forth in the light of day, strive to bring to a head what they have long been planning—the overthrow of all civil society whatsoever". (QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS (On Socialism) - Pope Leo XIII

Abortion is no greater evil than euthanasia, or than the deliberate medical neglect of the elderly in hospitals in order to speed their demise, or the rationing and death panels which also comprise Obama's socialized deathcare program. Life must be protected at all stages. Pope John Paul II was a powerful witness to this teaching in his final years.

Under socialism, the value of individual lives is cheapened for the perceived good of the collective. Those considered useless (whether they be pre-born, sick, or elderly) are disposable.

Estimated number of victims (of communism, a socialist philosophy): 65 million in the People's Republic of China 20 million in the Soviet Union 2 million in Cambodia 2 million in North Korea 1.7 million in Africa 1.5 million in Afghanistan 1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe 1 million in Vietnam 150,000 in Latin America (mainly Cuba) 10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power."

Many bishops in this country support socialist programs, along with amnesty for illegals (whose voting patterns and dependence on government will shift the political balance in our country in favor of more extreme socialism). This results in the further empowerment of those whose goal is to cheapen the right to life. There is a huge political disconnect among those Catholics (including bishops) who seem to ignore Church teaching and the lessons of history in pursuit of "social justice" fueled by socialism, since socialism (empowered by swarms of immigrants who will by and large vote for socialist programs) promotes abortion, euthanasia, and elimination of those deemed "inconvenient" by the collective.

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