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To: Alex Murphy
Identifying manna[edit source | editbeta]
A tamarisk tree in the Levant desert.
Psilocybe cubensis

Some scholars have proposed that manna is cognate with the Egyptian term mennu, meaning "food".[13] At the turn of the twentieth century, Arabs of the Sinai Peninsula were selling resin from the tamarisk tree as man es-simma, roughly meaning "heavenly manna".[12] Tamarisk trees (particularly Tamarix gallica) were once comparatively extensive throughout the southern Sinai, and their resin is similar to wax, melts in the sun, is sweet and aromatic (like honey), and has a dirty-yellow color, fitting somewhat with the Biblical descriptions of manna.[14][15] However, this resin is mostly composed from sugar, so it would be unlikely to provide sufficient nutrition for a population to survive over long periods of time,[14] and it would be very difficult for it to have been compacted to become cakes.[15]

Black ant with a clear bubble of honeydew produced by a green aphid.
Scale insects covered in waxy secretions.

In the Biblical account, the name manna is said to derive from the question man hu, seemingly meaning "What is it?";[16] this is perhaps an Aramaic etymology, not a Hebrew one.[15] Man is possibly cognate with the Arabic term man, meaning plant lice, with man hu thus meaning "this is plant lice",[15] which fits one widespread modern identification of manna, the crystallized honeydew of certain scale insects.[15][17] In the environment of a desert, such honeydew rapidly dries due to evaporation of its water content, becoming a sticky solid, and later turning whitish, yellowish, or brownish;[15] honeydew of this form is considered a delicacy in the Middle East, and is a good source of carbohydrates.[17] In particular, there is a scale insect that feeds on tamarisk, the Tamarisk manna scale (Trabutina mannipara), which is often considered to be the prime candidate for biblical manna.[18][19]

In the Torah, the word manna(Heb: מָן; Pronunciation: Män) likely derives from the question "Mäh hū?"(מַה-הוּא), which translates to "What is it?"

Another type is Turkey Oak Manna, also called Persian gezengevi- gezo,men, Turkish Kudret helvasi, man-es-simma, also Diarbekir manna, or Kurdish manna. It is formed by aphids and appears white. It was common in western Iran, northern Iraq and eastern Turkey. When dried it forms into crystalline lumps which are hard and look like stone. They are pounded before inclusion in breads.[20]

The other widespread identification is that manna is the thalli of certain lichens (particularly Lecanora esculenta);[14][17] this food source is often used as a substitute for maize in the Eurasian Steppe.[14] This material is light, often drifting in the wind, and has a yellow outer coat with a white inside, somewhat matching the Biblical description of manna; it does need additional drying, but is definitely not similar to honey in taste.[14]

A number of ethnomycologists such as R. Gordon Wasson, John Marco Allegro, and Terence McKenna,[citation needed]have suggested that most characteristics of manna are similar to that of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, notorious breeding grounds for insects, which decompose rapidly. These peculiar fungi naturally produce a number of molecules that resemble human neurochemicals, and first appear as small fibres (mycelia) that resemble hoarfrost. Psilocybin, a molecule in the Psilocybe cubensis, has shown to produce spiritual experiences, with "personal meaning and spiritual significance 14 months later".[21] In a Psilocybin study from 2006 one-third of the participants reported that the experience was the single most spiritually significant moment of their lives and more than two-thirds reported it was among the top five most spiritually significant experiences. A side-effect from Psilocybin consumption is the loss of appetite.[22] This speculation (also paralleled in Philip K. Dick's posthumously published The Transmigration of Timothy Archer) is supported in a wider cultural context when compared with the praise of Haoma in the Rigveda, Mexican praise of teonanácatl, the peyote sacrament of the Native American Church, and the Holy Ayahuasca used in the ritual of the União do Vegetal and Santo Daime.[23]

Other minority identifications of manna are that it was a kosher species of locust,[24] or that it was the sap of certain succulent plants (such as those of the genus Alhagi, which have an appetite-suppressing effect).[25]

6 posted on 08/15/2013 8:25:14 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
In the Biblical account, the name manna is said to derive from the question man hu, seemingly meaning "What is it?"; this is perhaps an Aramaic etymology, not a Hebrew one. Man is possibly cognate with the Arabic term man, meaning plant lice, with man hu thus meaning "this is plant lice", which fits one widespread modern identification of manna, the crystallized honeydew of certain scale insects. In the environment of a desert, such honeydew rapidly dries due to evaporation of its water content, becoming a sticky solid, and later turning whitish, yellowish, or brownish; honeydew of this form is considered a delicacy in the Middle East, and is a good source of carbohydrates. In particular, there is a scale insect that feeds on tamarisk, the Tamarisk manna scale (Trabutina mannipara), which is often considered to be the prime candidate for biblical manna.

For Catholics, "manna" = bug poop? That would actually make a lot of sense.

8 posted on 08/15/2013 8:33:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Those are all interesting natural possibilities, but God’s Word makes it clear that Manna was something supernatural, and ended after the Children of Israel ate food from the Promised Land.

Joshua 5:12 (KJV)
And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

It first appeared after the dew in Exodus 16:8-14, not before, and not after Joshua 5:12.

Had it been the result of common insects, or nature, surely the Bedouins of the Sinai would have used it before, and after. And its doubtful the plants or insects would have produced the quantity and density necessary to feed such a large host - 600,000 fighting men plus women, elderly and children! The Word confirms it was not known before or after. Deut 8:3-16, Josh 5:12

It rained (or came) from Heaven Ps 78:24, John 6:31-32

It was found on the ground, not on plants. Ex 16:14

They kept some in the Ark and it was preserved, while the rest would go bad after one day, except the day before the Sabbath when twice as much was gathered for both days. Ex 16:19-20, 16:33, Heb 9:4

It was small, round, sweet, and would melt - Ex 16.

Manna sustained them briefly until they reached the land of promise. Jesus reveals that he is the true bread from Heaven that gives life!

John 6:30-38 (KJV)
They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


27 posted on 08/15/2013 11:07:16 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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