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Monsignor Pope, ping!


2 posted on 08/19/2013 3:02:37 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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Ignoring the usual disrupters and trying to go back to his point, I really sympathize with Msgr. Pope. Personally, I do think Vatican II is to blame for a lot of our problems because it destroyed the link with tradition, both in the Mass as well as in thing like Catholic theological teaching, popular devotions, the dress and discipline of religious orders, etc. However, there was a rot that had already infected the Church and this was what made it so easy for Vatican II to destroy things.

I was originally very sympathetic to the traditionalist movement - until I came to know some of them better and also when I saw the vicious way they reacted to the election of Pope Francis. Even now, they spend all of their time waiting for something to attack him on.

This makes me think that perhaps one of the things that was quietly wrong with the Church before Vatican II was precisely these people or, at any rate, their predecessors who shared their attitudes: narrow, accusatory, seeking out the errors of others rather than trying to enhance their own faith, and completely obsessed with externals.

I agree that things are improving. And it’s not the traditionalists carrying out their personal inquisition who are responsible for it. If anything, they have now marginalized themselves and made themselves so disliked and mistrusted that I think they’ve effectively excluded themselves from making any contribution.


14 posted on 08/19/2013 6:25:40 PM PDT by livius
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