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Poll: illegal alien homilies at Mass today? [CATHOLIC CAUCUS]
vanity | 9/8/2013

Posted on 09/08/2013 7:34:05 AM PDT by markomalley

Today was supposed to be the big day for parishes around the country to push their parishioners to support amnesty for undocumented workers undocumented aliens illegal immigrants illegal aliens foreign invaders.

In preparation for that (I couldn't choose to go to my local TLM parish, as I was scheduled to read today), I had myself all armed with applicable Church Teaching, US law, statistics, and logic...in preparation for getting into an argument after Mass.

Happily, all that preparation was for nought: not a single mention of amnesty anywhere during the Mass (neither tha homily nor the often-politicized prayer of the faithful).

When I think about it, I guess, in light of what is happening in Syria right now, it shouldn't be all that surprising that they would find it incredibly tone-deaf to discuss amnesty this Sunday...but, still, tone-deafness is something that AMCHURCH is known for...

So I'm curious how many of my fellow Catholics were plagued with a screed about supporting amnesty (and you're nothing but a xenophobic, racist, nativist, know-nothing if you don't support it blindly)? Or how many heard a teaching about today's readings...

Thanks.


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration
Note: this is a Catholic Caucus thread. Meaning if you are not a currently practicing Catholic, please feel free to read...but don't post.

And, for the record, yes, I know the US bishops (as a group, with some notable exceptions) are off the rails on this...along with any number of other social issues...so I don't need a reminder of that...nor does any other Catholic FReeper.

1 posted on 09/08/2013 7:34:05 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

No mention of amnesty for illegals, homily stuck close to the readings (and actually wasn’t all that bad), nothing in the bulletin, nothing in the bulletin insert comprising excerpts from the archdiocesan rag.


2 posted on 09/08/2013 7:41:51 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

The homily last night was on the Gospel. Jesus headed to Jerusalem and telling the crowd three things:

Pick up your cross,
Be prepared,
Detach yourself from your possessions — even your own life,
and follow him.


3 posted on 09/08/2013 7:44:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

I’ll find out this afternoon. Last week, during the Prayer of the Faithful, there was a quip about all workers earnings a fair wage for their efforts which sounded reminiscent of the fast-food workers demanding a 100% raise. It irked me, but then again, lately everything gets under my skin.


4 posted on 09/08/2013 7:44:40 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: markomalley

I went to Mass yesterday. Nothing about illegal aliens, although our priest asked us to pray that the United States will not start a war with Syria. He said that one action leads to a reaction and then things escalate from there.


6 posted on 09/08/2013 7:52:19 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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not a word. Nothing in the bulletin.
Hartford CT archdiocese


7 posted on 09/08/2013 7:52:36 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: markomalley

Not where I went to Mass...thank God.


8 posted on 09/08/2013 8:00:42 AM PDT by steve8714 (Are we fighting for peace in Syria? Don't we already know what that is like?)
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To: markomalley

I am so relieved to hear of your experience today. Perhaps the controversial theme will be heard in regions more open to a surging illegal population into the US. Just wonder where those regions might be.

Thanks for this thread. I am interested in the feedback also. Off to Mass shortly.


9 posted on 09/08/2013 8:01:35 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: markomalley

I chose not to go to the Latin Mass, and went instead to a local new Mass parish. Priests stuck to the readings in his homily. It wasn’t a great homily, but he did stick to the readings.


10 posted on 09/08/2013 8:11:24 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: markomalley

Not a word at our TLM on Long Island (Diocese of Rockville Centre). Nothing in the bulletin.

Regards,


11 posted on 09/08/2013 8:18:18 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: markomalley
Nothing about immigration in my Baltimore parish.
12 posted on 09/08/2013 8:19:24 AM PDT by Vision (Trayvon Martin illustrates the bankruptcy of the modern civil rights movement.)
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To: markomalley

Not a word at my parish last night. I’ll ask Tom if he heard anything about immigration this morning ... and he’ll probably say, “What homily?” and then I’ll say, “Weren’t you at Mass? Do I have to ask Vlad? He was with you when you left the house!” and Tom will say, “It’s your fault: you got me up too early,” and things will degenerate from there.


13 posted on 09/08/2013 8:25:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: markomalley

No homily on immigration at our parish.


14 posted on 09/08/2013 8:32:31 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: markomalley

Not a word at SSPP in Tucson, the Diocese headed by Bp. Kicanas the primary force behind the USCCB’s push for comprhensive immigration reform.

If people walked out after homily, but before the collection?


15 posted on 09/08/2013 8:35:58 AM PDT by amihow
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
This is off topic but I wasn't sure what people meant by "Prayer of the Faithful" (being solely a Latin Mass attendee). Found this (which everyone else already seems to know):

3. Restoration of the General Intercessions – There is a strange moment in the Old Mass when, after the homily and creed the priest turns and says to the people (Dominus vobiscum (The Lord be with you) and they reply et cum spiritu tuo (and with your spirit). He then says, Oremus (Let us pray). But there is no prayer. He simply turns back to the altar and the people are once again seated. Many centuries before there had been bidding prayers here similar to our current “Prayers of the Faithful” or “General Intercessions.” They had been composed by Pope Gelasius but were later suppressed by Pope Gregory since they prolonged the Mass. But somehow the call to prayer (that odd little “oremus“) stayed there all those centuries.

There was need to attend to this. Either restore the prayers or drop the call to prayer. The current, Ordinary Form of the Mass has restored these prayers or general intercessions. I think this is a valuable aspect of the Ordinary Form of the Mass if it is done correctly. We ought to to pray for others as is so beautifully done in the Eastern Rites of the Church. It seems suitable that, after hearing and reflecting on God’s Word, we be drawn to pray for ourselves and the world.

However there is a tendency in some parishes to misunderstand the nature of these prayers. They are general intercessions, not particular ones. The prayers ought to be of a general nature not for every one’s sick cousin, aunt, or brother, mentioned by name with a full medical report included in the prayer. Rather we pray for the sick in general, for the poor, for Church leaders, Government leaders, for abundance of the fruits of the earth, for peace and so forth. Specific political and idiosyncratic prayers are wholly to be avoided.

If these norms are observed, the general intercessions (or prayer of the faithful) is a beautiful and ancient practice restored in the ordinary and newer form of the mass and it also links us more to the practice of the Eastern Rites.

Well, I have to admit that ironically this is a case where the New Mass is more traditional than the old. It does seem to be an error that this is missing from the Tridentine Mass. However, having it does seem to present an opportunity for abuse as some have noted. I kind of wish the Latin Mass had it but in a fixed form.

16 posted on 09/08/2013 8:37:43 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: markomalley

None in my parish either. Homily was based on the gospel and very much some words I needed to hear.


17 posted on 09/08/2013 8:38:23 AM PDT by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: steve86

On occasion there is a prayer that I don’t think is necessarily appropriate, like the minimum wage post above.

For the most part the only time I think it is incorrect or abused is in parishes that choose to allow members of the congregation to participate. The invite anyone to speak up at some point during the general intercessions. These go on and on there is usually TMI and some seem vain or thoughtless.

Our deacons read the general intercessions and the last one is for the prayers we hold in our hearts. It serves the same purpose without the abuse.


18 posted on 09/08/2013 8:46:33 AM PDT by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: markomalley
Assumption Parish, Nashville, TN.

No mention of immigration, illegal or otherwise. The homily was about the value of prayer and fasting, in reference to praying for peace in Syria but also generally. The celebrant also asked us to pray for a mother of a large family who had emergency surgery yesterday (didn't get the details).

After Mass, there was an announcement about a pro-life concert at the local Catholic college, and a letter was read from our bishop asking us to support the Pope in his calls for prayers for peace.

19 posted on 09/08/2013 8:56:04 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: PrincessB

Only at daily Mass does our priest allow this.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 9:04:43 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion

Our priest put out the Seven Day Prayer for Syria that I just posted. Looked for it all week.


21 posted on 09/08/2013 9:05:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

Nothing on immigration in our Mass...


22 posted on 09/08/2013 9:08:36 AM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: Vesparado

Nothing on immigration at our mass in the Archdiocese of NY.


23 posted on 09/08/2013 9:14:06 AM PDT by ardara
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To: markomalley

I am a regular at the 7:30 and heard nothing of the sort today. Just the homily as Salvation reported. Our Parish tends to stay away from real life discussions since the push for immigration and “fairness” alongside Obama and the Democrats and how that worked out for the church. I did expect to hear something about the Pope and his prayer for peace in Syria but not even that.


24 posted on 09/08/2013 9:25:43 AM PDT by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: markomalley

Tom says no mention of immigration at 9:00 a.m. today. The Deacon, according to Tom, said something about the Gospel and discipleship.


25 posted on 09/08/2013 9:40:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: markomalley

Nothing on immigration in our Mass...


27 posted on 09/08/2013 10:30:18 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: markomalley

There was no mention of immigration at our Mass today.

We did pray for Syria.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 10:36:09 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR THE WORLD.)
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To: markomalley

Nope. Homily on letter to Philemon. At the beginning of Mass the priest did ask us to offer the Mass for peace in Syria. Nothing on immigration in bulletin nor in Prayer of the Faithful. We’re in Philadelphia


31 posted on 09/08/2013 10:57:07 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: markomalley

No. The homily was discipleship tied into the Gospel reading.

Very Very Strong on sacrifice, detachment.

Nothing about immigration.


32 posted on 09/08/2013 10:58:58 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: markomalley
No mention of immigration at all at my mass (homily, bulletin, prayer intentions, or announcements). The homily was about picking up and carrying our cross on the issues of abortion, capital punishment, and the war in Syria, all tied into today's readings.

I was honestly a little embarrassed by the omission of any talk of immigration. After last night's train-wreck non-caucus thread on this topic, I had warned my wife and children and lectured them on the difference between prudential judgements and moral imperatives as well as the proper role of the clergy. I had even been critical of the clergy for not preaching about abortion enough. Image my surprise and embarrassment when the priest started out telling us all to do more against abortion!

The priest, a visiting Franciscan, did an amazing job of explaining actionable moral theology while remaining completely apolitical. Praise be to God!!!

33 posted on 09/08/2013 11:11:26 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: markomalley

Not a word this morning at my parish.

The East Coast and sanctuary cities may have gotten it, but obviously those of us here posting have been spared.


34 posted on 09/08/2013 12:27:52 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: markomalley

No, today’s homily was about the Pope’s request for prayer and fasting regarding Syria.


35 posted on 09/08/2013 1:21:29 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: markomalley

So can somebody recap? Are we batting 0? That’s sort of incredible to me.


36 posted on 09/08/2013 1:37:07 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: markomalley

No mention of immigration subject matter heard at my church today.


37 posted on 09/08/2013 1:59:48 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: markomalley

The homily at our church was about the Epistle to Philemon and accepting the Other. There was some off hand comment included about about certain elements of our area “thinking Hispanic’s were not supposed to be here.” Very weak, subtle push.
I think immigrants should obey the law first, regardless of sentiments.


38 posted on 09/08/2013 2:17:54 PM PDT by cutofyourjib (The riddles of God are more satisfying than the solutions of man.-G. K. Chesterton)
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To: markomalley
I've never understood the immigration anger. This country's problems go far beyond immigration, illegal or otherwise. A complete non-issue, as far as I'm concerned. Is your lawn guy not putting the lines in straight, or something? Did the oranges in Florida not get picked on time?

The US's moral and spiritual collapse has exactly zero to do with Mexicans swimming the Rio Grande. Were the papers of The Holy Family in order, I wonder, when they fled into Egypt? Did they clear immigration control?

Is it completely far-fetched to see a scenario, perhaps not too far into the future, where the US finally defaults on its monumental debt, government handouts cease, urban areas throughout the land rapidly descend into anarchy reminiscent of New Orleans post-Katrina, and Americans in large numbers, including perhaps a few Freepers, head south of the border without the requisite papers, as places like Monterrey and Guadalajara suddenly become rather attractive?

39 posted on 09/08/2013 2:46:48 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: old and tired

I attended a Los Angeles county parish Mass this morning. Priest is from Mexico. He prayed for peace in Syria and the Gospel was explained.

NO immigration issues discussed. Zilch.

Pax Christi.


40 posted on 09/08/2013 3:16:15 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: markomalley

Nothing at my parish, actually very good homily on carrying your cross. Also good point was made on the cost of discipleship. Jesus doesn’t like wishy washy cafeteria Christians. Your either all in or all out.


41 posted on 09/08/2013 3:24:13 PM PDT by gracie1 (Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesnÂ’t mean you have to approve of it.)
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Nothing said at my liberal, progressive, change the church, parish.

I notice that the Justice for Immigrants campaign is supposed to run 2 months starting Sept 8. So it would seem there are plenty of Sundays left for a bite at the apple.

http://www.usccb.org/news/2013/13-161.cfm


42 posted on 09/08/2013 3:55:50 PM PDT by RBStealth
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cheapgracie1 wrote:
"Nothing at my parish, actually very good homily on carrying your cross. Also good point was made on the cost of discipleship. Jesus doesn’t like wishy washy cafeteria Christians. Your either all in or all out."


Do you read much...Dietrich Boenhoffer?
43 posted on 09/08/2013 4:01:12 PM PDT by RBStealth
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The homily at my parish yesterday was about the readings, no immigration issues mentioned at all.


44 posted on 09/09/2013 6:13:32 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: markomalley
Went to two masses here in Diocese of Knoxville, the Vigil Mass in English and the semimonthly Latin Mass. No mention of immigration in either one. Sermons about praying and fasting, Syria, and the readings.

There have been short notices in the bulletin about supporting immigration reform. Which irks me no end, since my idea of "Immigration Reform" is "Enforce the damn law."

And I have no partcular animus against he illegals per se. My animus is against the U.S. government (Democratic and Republican administrations going back decades),which perversely rewards massive fraud and corruption, suborns perjury, backs what amounts to massive identity theft, enriches coyotes, smuggler gangs and narcotraficantes, and receives from me, and from all, the contempt it so richly deserves.

45 posted on 09/09/2013 8:18:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("St Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. . . against the wickedness and snares of the devil.")
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To: markomalley

Nothing at our Sunday Mass, either, although during the prayers of the faithful there WAS mention of Syria and the Middle East. Nothing whatsoever to do with amnesty.


46 posted on 09/09/2013 2:00:51 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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