Posted on 09/30/2013 11:30:08 AM PDT by NYer
But, alas, Catholics insist that it IS the flesh contrary to Jesus words.
Well, the Protestants are simply the daughters of the RCC aren’t they. I suppose if you’re starting with some error it’s pretty easy to just go with the full error and be done with it.
That's not at all what I said...
The height of anti-Catholic bigotry on FR boggles the mind.
I did not say he was not a Christian...What I said was because someone is a theologian, a bishop, an elder, a cardinal, a pastor, a priest or even a pope does not automatically make one a Christian...
And further, it takes a personal testimony for ME to acknowledge someone as a Christian...A personal testimony of a person being born again...
I don't hate the guy...Don't even dislike him...
I don't know much about him other than he was very confused when it came to Catholic history and Christianity...
The Catholic version:
It is the flesh that gives life, while the spirit is of no avail.
Give me a break Jvette. The Catechism of the RCC clearly states they don’t need to know Christ to be saved.
847 Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
They also claim Muslims will be saved since they do serve the same god as Catholics. Why there are lots who will be saved even though they don’t know Jesus as savior. You can read some of that here. http://www.americancatholic.org/e-News/FriarJack/fj061606.asp CCC references included.
That’s one double minded cult I can tell you.
Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
And it was Peter who said that!!!
ROFLOL!!! Hey it wasn’t me who wanted to send you there. I just wanted to watch and wondered if you were up for it. Not sure they’d have a restroom for ya tho. Oh, and you’d have to put the lid down!
Hey, the Muslims and the Catholics serve the same god. The RCC said so.
# 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]
Thanks, CB.
I don’t even bother as they won’t pay attention anyway.
Glad you don’t give up or give in!
What I find stunning is the outright denial of so much of what scripture clearly states. It’s as if those refutations of what the RCC teaches don’t even exist to them. If it doesn’t conform to what the RCC teaches the text is non existent or is explained away regardless if there is other scripture to support the text they want to dismiss. It’s eerie to say the least. It’s sad really.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Yes, I see my mistake now. What you did say was (in part);
Which does leave it open, and falling shy of calling him "not a Christian".
It appears the "bigotry" you were accused of has no real foundation, in regards to what you did say, as you were misunderstood by myself and at least one other.
And I believe them...
Anyone who does not think it absolutely necessary to know Christ to gain salvation is not by definition a Christian.
847 Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
Given that position stated in the RCC Catechism and believed by those who put their faith and trust in that organization it would be clear that they are not Christian.
Newman confused? OK, gotcha.
“Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation”.
You must be Catholic because that’s the Catholic Church’s position.
And the only men who can speak of Christ that actually knew him died some 2,000 years ago. The rest know him by what they found out in that Catholic document known as the Holy Bible. All protestants owe the Catholic Church a world of gratitude for bringing the Word of God to them.
Catholics hate the bible.
—— Catholics hate the bible. -——
Where did Luther get his Bible?
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