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To: Gamecock
Those that do know them in the end follow the founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius Loyola, who wrote: "If we wish to proceed securely in all things, we must hold fast to the following principle: What seems to me white, I will believe black if the hierarchical Church so defines." (20) Such a position is not worthy of a Christian or of biblical religion. (21)

Also, since I count myself as a spiritual son of the great St. Ignatius I cannot let this damnable error continue to be promulgated.

Read what St. Ignatius actually said:

"What seems to me white, I will believe black, if the hierarchical Church so defines".

What seems to me white. SEEMS. To ME

In other words, it isn't really white, it just looks that way because of my own personal perception--but the Church, with the benefit of the Holy Ghost, has decided otherwise. It is therefore incumbent on me--whatever I think--to abandon what I think as erroneous and accept what the Church teaches.

It is, in fact, the contrary position which has so infected the Western Church that is not worthy of the Christian religion--that if such and such a doctrine seems to me white, then I have the right via the principle of Sola Scriptura to interpret it my way and then repudiate the Church at large. That is damnable heresy, and it's why the unity of the Church has been shattered into not just two branches or three or four--but innumerable miniscule shards of mutually anathematizing communities.

19 posted on 10/08/2013 8:21:47 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

“It is, in fact, the contrary position which has so infected the Western Church that is not worthy of the Christian religion—that if such and such a doctrine seems to me white, then I have the right via the principle of Sola Scriptura to interpret it my way and then repudiate the Church at large. That is damnable heresy, and it’s why the unity of the Church has been shattered into not just two branches or three or four—but innumerable miniscule shards of mutually anathematizing communities.”

“Sola Scriptura” is a specific doctrine, with a specific meaning. It’s not something that you can just define to mean what you want it to mean, in order to fuel your attacks on Protestants. Sola Scriptura, unlike the way your definition seems to work, does not allow for anyone to just create their own doctrine. Only doctrines that can be derived from the Bible, with sound and accepted methods of interpretation, will be respected by Christians that adhere to Sola Scriptura.

Also, most Protestant communities are in no way “mutually anaethematizing”. I guess it might be natural to think so, if one is looking at things from the Roman mindset. However, Protestants don’t anaethematize everyone we have a minor disagreement with.


29 posted on 10/08/2013 8:51:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Claud; Gamecock
...if such and such a doctrine seems to me white, then I have the right via the principle of Sola Scriptura to interpret it my way and then repudiate the Church at large. That is damnable heresy, and it's why the unity of the Church has been shattered into not just two branches or three or four--but innumerable miniscule shards of mutually anathematizing communities

Perhaps if you provided specific citations of the denominational anathemas that are claimed to exist, this screed might have some credibility.

33 posted on 10/08/2013 9:07:02 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Claud

In other words, let your betters do your thinking for you. Does that about sum it up?


65 posted on 10/08/2013 5:56:38 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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