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To: Claud

Orange: Soverign Grace.

Trent: Semi-Pelagian


43 posted on 10/08/2013 9:44:47 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock

Trent is not semi-Pelagianism. It does not say the human will cooperates in it’s own salvation, but prepares the path. The salvation is still totally up to God. The person can cooperate to prepare the path, and still not end up being saved. It is logically necessary, since salvation could be refused, which we know to be true. If salvation were irresitable, then we are only meat puppets - machines. If so, then salvation has lost its value. Salvation only has value if the one saved has a free will to reject it.


47 posted on 10/08/2013 10:27:53 AM PDT by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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To: Gamecock
Trent is Semipelagian my foot. I'm a soteriological dunce and I can even tell the difference.

Semipelagianism taught that man can make the first move toward God without grace, and then grace takes over the rest. Augustine and Orange teach that no, even the *initial* conversion must be preceded by grace. Trent taught exactly the same thing:

The Synod furthermore declares, that in adults, the beginning of the said Justification is to be derived from the prevenient grace of God

58 posted on 10/08/2013 5:24:02 PM PDT by Claud
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