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Must Christians Be Vegetarians?
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 25, 2013 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 10/25/2013 3:09:26 PM PDT by NYer

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Is there a religious obligation not to eat meat? Is there an obligation of faithful Catholics to become vegetarians or even vegans? Quite astonishingly, Professor Charles Camosy of Fordham University says yes in his new book For Love of Animals: Christian Ethics, Consistent Action.

Genesis, according to Camosy, makes it clear that God intended only for us to eat green and grain because that is what He gave mankind to eat. God did not say we could eat the animals. Camosy argues that recent popes, when they have called for the care of creation, implicitly endorse this view. He also cites the Universal Catechism for his point of view.

Camosy is not the only one making these arguments. The modern granddaddy of these arguments is former Bush speechwriter Matthew Scully who published a book called Dominion that has turned many to vegetarianism. Camosy was deeply affected by Scully’s book, as was my dear friend Mary Eberstadt who has written the foreword to Camosy’s book. And in recent days Weekly Standard writer Jonathan Last has joined their ranks and come out as a campaigning vegetarian.

With the exception of Scully each are religious and each are practicing Catholics and make religious arguments to back their claims. In a recent National Review article, Scully quotes Pope Francis’s first sermon where he called for “respecting each of God’s creatures” and Benedict condemning the “industrial use of animals” and John Paul II asking farmers to “resist the temptations of productivity and profit that work to the detriment of nature.”

For-love-of-animalsThey also make a great deal about what is called factory or industrial farming. The accusation is that such farming is profoundly cruel. Sows are boxed so they cannot move, only eat, defecate and grow fat. Chickens, too. They never go outside. Male chicks are immediately ground into nothing because they cannot lay eggs and take too long to grow for meat. After suffering their whole lives these animals are led to slaughter with at least some kind of knowledge of what is about to happen to them.

One thing Camosy et al have in common is that they are pro-life. You would understand this to mean the protection of unborn children from abortion, the protection of human embryos from experimentation, and the protection of the elderly from euthanasia. They would include animals in this. In fact, Camosy says he became a vegetarian in order to be more “authentically pro-life.”

There is a practical political aspect to vegetarianism. Mary Eberstadt, whom I have praised to the high heavens in these pages and will continue to do so, argues that Millennials can be reached more effectively if we speak to them as vegetarians. In fact, the main thrust of this current campaign, which is running almost exclusively in the online pages of National Review, is to convince pro-lifers to be “pro-animal” and that a great bonanza of support for our cause lies among the vegetarian set who think we are hypocrites for protecting unborn babies yet happily eat our cheeseburgers.

And so what of their arguments? First, know that these are very smart and learned people. Most of us would be unequipped to argue with them on many topics including this one. And while I find their arguments interesting, I do not find them ultimately compelling. And some of them I find offensive.

On the question of factory farming, there is the charge of wanton, unspeakable cruelty. Take pens used to confine nursing hogs, for instance. It sounds awful. The pens hold them tight so they cannot turn around. Perhaps the most interesting writer in defense of modern farming is Missouri farmer Blake Hurst who began writing for the American Enterprise Institute when Michael Pollan’s anti-meat and much else Omnivore’s Dilemma came out a few years ago. Hurst runs not a “factory” farm but a family one. He says such pens are necessary because mother sows have a nasty tendency to lie down and crush their young. Sometimes they eat their young. Even so such pens are outlawed in some states.

Hurst goes on at great length defending the practices condemned by Camosy et al. He describes a turkey farmer who wanted to raise them “free range” but who did not know that turkeys do not come in out of the rain and can drown beaks up open wide. He lost 4,000 turkeys in one storm. He now raises them in a more confined space, where they won’t drown or be eaten by other animals. But Camosy et al are not simply against factory farming of livestock. This is their hard-case argument. In fact, they oppose the eating of any animal no matter how they are raised.

The religious question is not as complicated as the factory farm question. There simply is no demand by the Church that we not eat meat. The Catechism is quite plain and says we may use animals for food. Camosy points this but then emphasizes the Catechism says we cannot do it “needlessly.” Strictly speaking you can live your whole life without eating meat and therefore the only time Camosy would allow us to eat meat is traveling through Death Valley by horseback with no choice but to eat the horse. But the Church does not teach that. The Church asks for a meatless fast on Fridays—still does by the way—which implies we may eat meat every other day. What’s more the Bible is chock full of meat eating. Where Genesis 1 gives us green and grain to eat, Genesis 9 gives us all the animals to eat. Jesus ate fish, gave fish for others to eat, and being a faithful Jew there is little question that he ate the lamb at Passover.

It is perfectly fine for Scully and the others not to eat meat. It is perfectly fine for them to campaign for their point of view. And I must say their description of “factory farming” has given me pause. But to cast this as religiously required is deeply offensive, particularly for someone like Camosy who teaches at a Catholic school. Sure, recent Popes have called for care of creation including animals but none of them have said we cannot eat meat. I have been blessed to spend time in the residence where Pope Francis now lives and recall enjoying some delicious cuts of dead calf. The Church clearly does not teach what Scully and Camosy says it does.

Finally, to suggest that being a vegetarian makes you “authentically pro-life” is a kind mischief making that all pro-lifers ought to reject. Pro-life does not mean raising the minimum wage or easing immigration restriction or not eating meat. The seamless garment has done a great deal of harm already. Let’s not allow it to stretch any further.



TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: christian; fordham; scripture; vegetarian
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To: roamer_1

lol

That is a good point


41 posted on 10/25/2013 3:36:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Tax-chick

I have had a few Earth-shatteringly awesome posts today... usually they are thread killers.

:p


42 posted on 10/25/2013 3:37:56 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Fuzz
Abel wasn’t a Christian.

How do you know?

43 posted on 10/25/2013 3:39:58 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

How could he be?


44 posted on 10/25/2013 3:44:21 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GeronL

That happens to me all the time. I say something brilliant, and ... crickets. Forever.

One thing I find interesting about this topic is that all the writers the author mentions are probably doctrinaire Darwinists (or they wouldn’t be respected writers). They believe God’s plan for all of life was a universal death-struggle ... and yet they believe we shouldn’t eat a fish or a chicken.

I think there’s some balance: humans may be top of the food chain in the suburbs, but put us in Alaska or Africa and we’re just a snack.


45 posted on 10/25/2013 3:45:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Same here-hope I’ll soon have enough room to have some chickens in addition to a bigger garden to sell/barter from. Some hogs these days have at least one parent that is a feral hog captured and put in with the domestic ones to breed some healthier, leaner pigs-and they are free for the trapping-they are delicious, and are likely happier hanging out than they were in the wild, but you do have to keep them penned securely. There are so many feral hogs-mean and dangerous when mad, and destructive to gardens and crops-capture and breed seems a good, cheap solution.


46 posted on 10/25/2013 3:47:05 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: NYer; All
God did not say we could eat the animals.

The following critique is directed at the article NYer, not you.

Yes, God had originally limited man's diet to green plants.

However, after the flood, God told Noah, evidenced by Genesis 9:3-4, that he could now eat everything (the word used in KJV), including meat, just not meat with blood still in it.

Also, Mosaic Law later reintroduced some food restrictions. But also note that food restrictions in NT times are up to the convictions of the beliver as evidenced by Romans 14:6 and 1 Corinthians 10:25-27.

47 posted on 10/25/2013 3:48:50 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Tax-chick

bump


48 posted on 10/25/2013 3:53:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: NYer
In a word, no. Biblically, no.

Shove off, apostates.

49 posted on 10/25/2013 3:54:19 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: NYer

A friend’s reply to this is: I am a vegetarian, this body that I occupy is an omnivore, thus eats meat.


50 posted on 10/25/2013 3:54:40 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: trisham
How could he be?

*shrugs*

YHWH is spirit - No man has seen YHWH, right?

Who walked with Adam and Eve in the garden then? Who clothed them in the skins of animals? Who was Abraham's Friend? Who walked between the halves? Who was it that was with the two angels when they took a break in Abraham's tents on the way to determine the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah? Who was Melchizedek?

51 posted on 10/25/2013 3:56:40 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: NYer
This kind of idiocy is hard to believe, but is widespread today because it tickles the ears of proud fools who believe themselves to be wise, and declare that God's Truth must conform to their own fleeting whims -- instead of the other way around.

Ignorance of Scripture is a recipe for disaster that any fool can cook. Priests and scholars come and go, some good and some bad but all with feet of clay, and people who fail to study the Bible will follow them wherever they lead. There is little Biblical discernment today, and plenty of ignorant human sheep being led to slaughter.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God will stand forever." -Isaiah 40:8

52 posted on 10/25/2013 3:57:44 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Ray76

How about bacterians eating scum all day?


53 posted on 10/25/2013 3:59:06 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: NYer

How about eggs?


54 posted on 10/25/2013 3:59:33 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: NYer

Umm....Jesus ate fish and lamb.


55 posted on 10/25/2013 3:59:34 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Texan5

Sound like a great solution! :)


56 posted on 10/25/2013 4:03:38 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: NYer
Must Christians Be Vegetarians?

"Professor" Charles Camosy of Fordham University
is incredibly ignorant of the WORD of Elohim.

In addition the headline & book title speak of Christians
and the text speaks of Catholics. How arrogant !

Shabbat Shalom !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
57 posted on 10/25/2013 4:04:55 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: NYer

Is this the group leading this interpretation?

58 posted on 10/25/2013 4:09:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: onedoug

UH! The Bacterians! How could I have forgotten them?!


59 posted on 10/25/2013 4:10:37 PM PDT by Ray76 (You can't win if you don't fight. Remember the Barrycades!)
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To: roamer_1

How could someone who lived and died before Christ be a Christian?


60 posted on 10/25/2013 4:13:59 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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