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To: daniel1212

“And why would it have to? God knows what a groan is expressing. Just being objective.”


Rom_8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

A great problem in using this verse to make sense of the babbling nature of tongue-speaking is that this is not something only promised to those who speak in tongues. This is something promised to all believers who have the Holy Spirit, who moves us to pray and gives us words to speak.

Speaking in tongues, on the other hand, is not promised to all:

1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Basically, this is like saying that only those who are given the gift of tongues have this special intercession power experience with God, or that only those who have this gift can receive the special edification that comes from it.


94 posted on 11/15/2013 8:13:30 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
A great problem in using this verse to make sense of the babbling nature of tongue-speaking is that this is not something only promised to those who speak in tongues. This is something promised to all believers who have the Holy Spirit, who moves us to pray and gives us words to speak.

It is not a problem at all, for it is not saying this was tongues, but only serves to illustrate that if God can understand what groaning expresses, He can understand what other non earthly tongue means.

96 posted on 11/15/2013 8:25:57 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; daniel1212

Rom_8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

A great problem in using this verse to make sense of the babbling nature of tongue-speaking is that this is not something only promised to those who speak in tongues. This is something promised to all believers who have the Holy Spirit, who moves us to pray and gives us words to speak.

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The issue I have with that verse is that if the groanings are too deep for words to express, that would and should, include tongues.

Now, most people who speaking tongues SAY “words”, therefore if the groanings are too deep for words to express, that must by default, include tongues as that is *words* and a *language*.

Therefore, I cannot accept that verse as support for a prayer language.


108 posted on 11/16/2013 12:41:48 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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