Posted on 11/21/2013 6:55:00 AM PST by Gamecock
And how do you know this? Have you talked with the Early Church Fathers who knew the Apostles personally?
I say “Hogwash!”
I say “Hogwash!”
Then you are calling the apostle John and God liars...
1Jn_5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
If there was more for salvation John couldn't have been telling the truth...But you can bet your life that he was...
There is one church father who knew an apostle personally...That was PolyCarp...And he was as Protestant as I am...
Guess you don’t know my gender. Read my home page here are FR.
It’s a deconstruction argument. By a Mormon stating earthly authorities they try to narrow “the playing field” to two “authorities.” Once that is presumed settled, then it becomes a two way battle of the apostasies:)
I don’t know if you missed the last time I posted John 20 so here it is:
John 20:30-31 NASB
Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Ok yes, we can know that we have eternal life, great. It’s not exactly clear what kind of eternal life. One with the Lord God creator of the Universe or one of eternal separation and torment, how do you know that?
Yes, those have been written, but there are other teachings that are not written.
I can’t remember exactly what it is, but Paul says that Jesus said something.....to me that is Holy Tradition. No where in the Bible is Christ directly quoted as saying it. I’ll find out exactly what it was and let you know.
Sort of funny — Paul quoting Jesus, and it’s the only place in the Bible that this saying appears.
Because John told us that as well...That's what he was talking about...He wrote these thing so we may know we have eternal life, with God...
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Not perish isn’t clear enough for me. That still sounds like it could mean eternal suffering also.
Is this it? Paul confirms all he learned of the Gospel came by revelation from Christ. I would say that is not tradition but direct revelation, which Paul by his epistles gave to us in writing.
Galatians 1:11-17 NASB
For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it; and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions.
But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.
First, you have to quit perverting the scriptures...
Gal_1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
John did not say that there were other teaching...John said Jesus did other things...
Sort of funny — Paul quoting Jesus, and it’s the only place in the Bible that this saying appears.
What are you talking about...The entirety of the 4 Gospels is apostles quoting Jesus...
I can’t remember exactly what it is, but Paul says that Jesus said something.....to me that is Holy Tradition
Yes it is...Tradition that is past, before Paul wrote his epistles...All tradition Paul spoke of was past tradition...Not a single thing about future tradition after the Apostles were gone...
So maybe it's both...So what??? The point is John said we may know what we need to know about salvation from reading his scriptures...Nothing else is required...
I'm glad you seem to have this all figured out though. I hope for your sake that your right. There is something in those scriptures that mentions something about misleading these little ones. It ain't very pretty.
You are correct A LOT of Scriptures. Usually a good starter kit is read one of the synoptic gospels (Luke is my favorite) then read John, then Acts then Romans. From there enjoy!
No, it is a common thought — sort of like a proverb. At least that is where I thought it came from. I’ll ask and find out since I didn’t take notes at the class.
Thanks for your input though.
**First, you have to quit perverting the scriptures...**
This is something I do not do.
bfl
So exactly what *holy tradition* was it that Paul taught that was not written down but passed along person to person, face to face, by word of mouth?
How do you know its source was Paul?
How do you know it was passed on faithfully, without corruption?
Could you provide the links verifying those claims?
Like in Acts 21:22 and Acts 26:16-18 where Jesus told Paul that He was sending him to preach the gospel to the Gentiles?
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