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To: greyfoxx39; All
"The Evangelical doctrine, or I should say "Christianity" as a whole is fragile. It's actually a very small sphere of knowledge and shrinking."

"Dream on. This is NOT a message that will meet with favor on FreeRepublic."

So? If you don't like it, prove me wrong. Show me where modern "Christianity" has added one new piece of knowledge about God or His kingdom. I'll be happy to say I was wrong.

"BTW, if this is the mormon stance, WHY do you all keep insisting that you are "Christians"?"

This has be discussed ad nauseam. "Christianity" does NOT equal "Christian". Christianity is a system of religions which includes sects, denominations, and independent churches that revolve around a common set of creeds.

"Christian" is a follower of Jesus Christ.

I am a Christian, but not a member of "Christianity".
236 posted on 12/15/2013 1:51:15 PM PST by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper
  Show me where modern "Christianity" has added one new piece of knowledge about God or His kingdom.

Prov.30:5-6 Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

But as a "god" I'm sure after creating your new heaven and a new earth a new Bible is next on your list.

237 posted on 12/15/2013 2:28:48 PM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: StormPrepper; All

“So? If you don’t like it, prove me wrong.”


Well that’s easy, Egyptologists who can read Egyptian proved the Mormon Book of Abraham, which Smith bought off a travelling mmummy salesman, wrong a long time ago.

“LDS critics point out that, since the original Papyri have been examined by both LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists and both groups have indicated clearly that the scrolls are funerary texts that have nothing to do with Abraham or anything mentioned in the LDS scripture,[4] the Book of Abraham cannot have been translated from the scrolls as Joseph Smith claims and is therefore a false book of scripture. Also, since the translations of the facsimiles were taken from copies of the original papyri and each contains such blatant translation errors as listing drawings of women as men and canopic jars as idols, critics reject the claim made by apologists that the Book of Abraham was translated from scrolls that were lost. Even more blatant, is that Joseph identified specific characters on the facsimiles and gave their translations that Egyptologists say are completely in error.”

http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm

And this isn’t even the only known fraud that came out of Smith.

Scripturally, you fall to pieces the moment I quote stuff like:

“Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any” (Isaiah 44:8).

Seeing as how you’re a polytheist, this scripture, and every one like it, destroys your claims.

“I am a Christian, but not a member of “Christianity”.


Not only do Christians not recognize your claims, but neither do your leaders historically:

“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong) – and which I should join. … I was answered by God that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” He again forbade me to join with any of them – Prophet Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith History 1:18-20

Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167

The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171

Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.” – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176

Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127

Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing ... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

The Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable … but with the Bible it was not and is not so … it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was. – Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints “do not believe in the traditional Christ.”No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. – Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7


238 posted on 12/15/2013 3:39:44 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: StormPrepper

To whom are you a christian to?

lds teaches (lds) was once a man
Christians teach He is eternal
lds teaches lds must earn their own salvation
Christians teach Christ paid the price in full
lds teaches (lds) christ paid the price in the garden, not the cross
Christian teach Christ paid the price on the Cross
lds teaches (lds) god was once a man and earned his godhood
Christians teach God is eternal

Claiming to be a’christian’ are you what Joseph Smith said:
“With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p.

What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.”
What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.”
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

Who is this “christ” you are christian to?
The lds prophets have already stated that lds do not worship the same christ as Christians.
Or maybe this: It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men....If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,” ( Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670)


239 posted on 12/15/2013 3:51:11 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: StormPrepper; greyfoxx39
I am a Christian, but not a member of "Christianity".

Unfortunately for you and others in the LDS Church, there is no way that you can possibly truthfully call yourself Christian. I recommend you carefully consider the following four issues (there are many more, but start with these) that Christians have with Mormonism:

FIRST: MORMONISM REJECTS MANY ESSENTIAL CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES

I suggest you check out the article: We're Christians just like you! wherein the author presents a number of well-annotated examples.

If necessary, dozens of additional articles and illustrations can be found on this WEBSITE alone.

SECOND: MORMONISM ADDS MANY NEW DOCTRINES WHICH FLAGRANTLY CONTRADICT CHRISTIAN BELIEFS

NO Catholic, Protestant or Jewish scholar ever taught that:

  1. God was not always God
  2. God is a glorified, perfected human being with a body of flesh and bones
  3. God is only one among many Gods
  4. God is married
  5. Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer
  6. Jesus is the literal "Son of God" who was begotten naturally by an immortal Father
  7. Christians are saved by grace coupled with works
  8. Grace is given by God only after a person has denied themselves of all ungodliness
  9. Humans can become Gods
  10. Mankind must believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God in order to get into heaven

THIRD: THE MORMON CHURCH UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNS CHRISTIANS AND CHRISTIANITY

  1. And the angel of God said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. – Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10-11

  2. My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong) – and which I should join. … I was answered by God that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof." He again forbade me to join with any of themProphet Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith History 1:18-20

  3. Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167

  4. The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171

  5. In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ."No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. – Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7

If still not convinced, you can find many more similar quotes of Mormon leaders slamming Christians HERE and HERE.

FOURTH: THE MORMON CHURCH ITSELF REJECTS CHRISTIANITY

Beginning with Joseph Smith, Mormon prophets have steadfastly proclaimed all Christian denominations were in a state of apostasy.

This raises an interesting question. A heretic is someone who rejects one or more doctrines of religion, but an apostate is someone who has rejected the religion entirely. How is it, exactly, that you can be something you have completely dismissed? How does that work?

ONE FINAL THOUGHT:

Abraham Lincoln once asked the question, "How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?

He then answered it by saying, "Four ... Calling his tail a leg doesn't make it one."

And that's the bottom line. Calling yourself a Christian, even if you pray sincerely and get a good feeling in your bosom, doesn't make you a Christian.

240 posted on 12/15/2013 5:00:06 PM PST by Zakeet (If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists - Friedrich Hayek)
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To: StormPrepper
I am a Christian, but not a member of "Christianity".

Um...

Yeah...

Sorry but it doesn't work that way... But thanks for playing.

Now if you wish to legitimize the first part of your statement you can join Christians at one of the various Christian Churches I am sure are near by. They can help bring you into the fold properly.

242 posted on 12/16/2013 12:54:31 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: StormPrepper

Mormons cannot be Christian until they denounce the false gospel known as the Book of Mormon and accept Jesus without the false trappings of Mormonism.


247 posted on 12/16/2013 8:26:24 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: StormPrepper
I am a Christian MORMON, but not a member of "Christianity".

Fixed.

A 'christian' would speak up about the heresy that is Mormonism - you don't

249 posted on 12/16/2013 8:28:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
So? If you don't like it, prove me wrong. Show me where modern "Christianity" has added one new piece of knowledge about God or His kingdom.

Mormonism added the words of Brigham Young. You are DAMNED by his utterings.

Prove it wrong.

We'll ALL be waiting.

250 posted on 12/16/2013 8:29:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper; greyfoxx39
I am a Christian, but not a member of "Christianity".

Do you worship the Christ who was divine from eternity past?

Do you worship the Christ who atoned for your personal sins prior to your conversion to Mormonism?

Do you worship the Christ who was born in Bethlehem, and not the Alma 7:14 Jerusalem-born Mormon jesus?

Do you worship the Christ who didn't get violent immediately after his death & drowned/smothered thousands of Book of Mormon character-villagers?

Do you worship per Doctrine & Covenants 20:19? 19 And gave unto them commandments that they should love and serve him, the only living and true God, and that he should be the only being whom they should worship.
IoW, is Heavenly Father the ONLY "being" you worship? And, if so, -- since you regard Jesus to be a separate being -- do you not then worship two beings?

251 posted on 12/16/2013 11:17:50 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: StormPrepper; greyfoxx39; Elsie; All
So? If you don't like it, prove me wrong. Show me where modern "Christianity" has added one new piece of knowledge about God or His kingdom. I'll be happy to say I was wrong.

Ya know, Mormons tout an awful LOT about havin' "livin' prophets" give "modern revelations" for the church...but tis "funny" that when we pull up the supposedly open-ended Chronological Order of Contents of Doctrine & Covenants we find the ONLY "modern" revelation was their 1978 reversal on its racism...

So...please explain...were the previous doctrinal revelations on "race" evidence of Mormon gods' inherent racism...
...or was your church simply led by a dozen consecutive false prophets?

Which of those two options is so?

Show me where modern "Christianity" has added one new piece of knowledge about God or His kingdom.

Where again is the "evidence" of all these "modern" Mormon revelations?

Oh, we "get it"...you MEAN all these back-tracking "reversal revelations"...not just racist practices...but...
...polygamy...
..."Adam is God"...
...blood atonement...
...and the like

ALL: Note that StormPrepper has adopted the "spirit of Joseph Smith" -- who had the audacity to "revise" the Bible minus knowing Greek or Hebrew. The operative key "Smithism" uttered by StormPrepper is "new"...

You see, Joseph Smith never could be "boxed in" by anything. He just innovatively revised and revised everywhere he went.

You see, the "old absolutes" -- like first monogamy, and then polygamy, need to drop by the Mormon wayside at the whim of the Mormon "prophet." Hence, Joseph Smith was an absolute relativist.

Don't believe me? Read Joseph Smith's words from April 1834:
"We are differently situated from any other people that ever existed upon this earth; consequently those former revelations cannot be suited to our conditions; they were given to other people, who were before us..." (History of the Church, 2:52)

Hmmm...no universal absolutes, eh, Joseph? Nothing applicable universally by a universal Lord?

Oh sure, by a decade later, Smith realized (too late) -- two months before his death -- that there was a need for lasting absolutes, after all: "I told him I obtained power on the principles of truth and virtue, which would last when I was dead and gone." (History of the Church 6:273)

But by then, he had made everything so "feelings-based" -- so subjective -- so sentimental -- that he had convinced his ensuing "prophets" and followers that ALL of God's written Word was simply passe':
"When he concluded, Brother Joseph turned to Brother Brigham Young and said, 'Brother Brigham, I want you to take the stand and tell us your views with regard to the oracles and the written word of God.' Brother Brigham took the stand, and he took the Bible, and laid it down; he took the Book of Mormon, and laid it down; and he took the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and laid it down before him, and he said: 'There is the written word of God to us, concerning the work of God from the beginning of the world, almost, to our day. And now, said he, 'when compared with the living oracles those books are NOTHING to me; those books do not convey the word of God direct to us now...I would rather have the living oracles than all the writing in the books,'...
Source: Lds "prophet" Wilford Woodruff, Conference Report, October 1897, pp. 22-25.

You see, to the Lds "prophets" God's Written Word is "dead" to them. Hence, they make a deadly false assumption about both the Written Word as well as the Living Word!

You see, to those of us in Christ, it -- along with the LivingWord, Jesus Himself -- is ALIVE!

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

Jesus is our ongoing Latter-day Prophet (Heb. 1:1-2);
Jesus promised He would never leave us (Matt. 28:20);
"but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood." (Hebrews 7:24)

Mormons reduce the author of Hebrews to a false prophet when they claim that the Lds priesthood needing to be "restored" -- falsely assuming it wasn't "permanent" -- as the author of Hebrews maintained in 7:24.

ALL, Bottom line here?

"If you took away what the Prophet Joseph has contributed to that we wouldn’t know a lot.”

Lds "apostle" Jeffery R. Holland, Joseph Smith Memorial Fireside, transcript, Logan institute, 1986, p. 18.

Yup, that pretty much sums it up. Just about everything Mormons supposedly "know" is built upon the corpse of Joseph Smith...not the Bible...not God, Himself...not the Holy Spirit...just Joe...and their general authorities even say so!!!!

273 posted on 12/16/2013 6:49:16 PM PST by Colofornian
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