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How I Escaped the Mormon Temple [Ex-BYU prof tells how her family was rescued from legalistic cult]
Christianity Today ^ | Nov. 22, 2013 | Lynn Wilder

Posted on 12/27/2013 8:33:08 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: restornu

it just goes to show some are not as good investigator reporters...

https://www.google.com/search?q=book+of+abraham&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475

it just goes to show some are really good at swallowing whatever their rulers tell them; without ever checking things for themselves.

(They make Bereans cry...)


561 posted on 01/01/2014 5:12:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
It's too bad that Joseph was just a little bit too early to take advantage of the ROSETTA Stone research on his bogus BoA 'translation'.

I wonder if there is ANOTHER tripart rock slab with REFORMED Egyptian, Demotic script, and Ancient Greek; laying buried in the sands of the desert; just WAITING for GOD's timing to come to pass???


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


562 posted on 01/01/2014 5:18:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
it just goes to show some are not as good investigator reporters...

... have found ALL these records - duly authenticated as ACCURATE - that refer to Joseph Smith's 'translation' process...





"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




563 posted on 01/01/2014 5:21:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
it just goes to show some are not as good investigator reporters...

... plain ol' reporters can find the following in MORMON sources as well:



The following are the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!
 
 
   
                                 

564 posted on 01/01/2014 5:22:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

All you FR Mormons OWN the above!


565 posted on 01/01/2014 5:22:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

100 to go


566 posted on 01/01/2014 8:33:22 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

Bump for later response, I have a direct quote from BY that contradicts this contention...but I suppose in an ever evolving doctrine, the words and admonitions of past prophets can be dismissed as merely “opinion”.

I find it interesting that what used to be regarded as “revelation” is now deemed “opinion”.

But then, I know why that is...


567 posted on 01/01/2014 9:25:47 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: restornu

Oh?

Has there been some new evidence to refute the Egyptian scholars who proved that the funerary text was not “scripture” as JS supposedly “translated”?

Would love to see it, or is it “sacred”?


568 posted on 01/01/2014 9:28:23 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Elsie

“Dang!

I wanted to post it!!

That’s what I get for dozing off last night!!!”


You snooze, you lose!


569 posted on 01/01/2014 3:26:06 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I think I’ll choose to lose again tonight!


570 posted on 01/01/2014 3:28:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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