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To: redleghunter
Not exactly. We are to take both the Hebrew and NT scriptures in a literal-grammatic approach. Not one interpreting the other.

You chrstians absolutely refuse to even think about this, don't you?

When the "new testament" says that J*sus "fulfilled" this or that prophecy, it is interpreting the Hebrew Bible. You have never even wondered whether it has the authority to do so because you have always just assumed that it did. If the "new testament" is in fact a fraud, then it does not have the authority to declare J*sus as the fulfillment of this or that "messianic prophecy." And if J*sus was a fraud, then he didn't have the authority to declare this or that act a "fulfillment of messianic prophecy."

Jews go by the Torah because they were given the Torah at Sinai. You don't accept the "old testament" because you received it from G-d. You accept it only on the "authority" of the "new testament." You are engaged in a logical fallacy known as "affirmation of the consequent," "proving" your argument by simply assuming it's truth (evolutionists do the same thing, but chrstians are the world champions).

But never mind. You won't even consider a word I've said because you "know" the "new testament" is divinely inspired by the same G-d Who gave the Torah. You have absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume this (you've just decided to do so), but that won't stop you.

I take it you are not a follower of Yeshua HaMashiach so you will disagree.

He's still not the messiah no matter what you call him.

74 posted on 03/18/2014 1:53:29 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; editor-surveyor; roamer_1

I will assume you have not read B’rit Chadasha. The testimony there in came in both word (Torah) and Power (miracles). Also meeting more than the eye witness testimony as evidenced in Torah. In some cases thousands at a time.

IMO, none of the above compares to the miracle a person realizes when they confess with their tongue and believe in their hearts Yeshua HaMashiach.


75 posted on 03/18/2014 2:19:30 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: Zionist Conspirator; redleghunter

>> “Jews go by the Torah because they were given the Torah at Sinai” <<

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Jews also defeat that same Torah by replacing it with false oral laws to empower their own tyranny over those who foolishly trust them.

That in reality was the Pharisees’ main gripe against Yeshua; he blew their game. Their own high priest told them that Yeshua was Yehova in the flesh.
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77 posted on 03/18/2014 7:35:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; redleghunter; editor-surveyor
You chrstians absolutely refuse to even think about this, don't you?

Oh, I have thought about it endlessly... To the point of throwing the religion of my youth upon the altar to see what survived the flame, which was dang little, btw... Strip it ALL away and prove first that YHWH IS GOD... And follow with the rest.

When the "new testament" says that J*sus "fulfilled" this or that prophecy, it is interpreting the Hebrew Bible.

TRUE.

You have never even wondered whether it has the authority to do so because you have always just assumed that it did.

That is not true.

If the "new testament" is in fact a fraud, then it does not have the authority to declare J*sus as the fulfillment of this or that "messianic prophecy." And if J*sus was a fraud, then he didn't have the authority to declare this or that act a "fulfillment of messianic prophecy."

True - But the Brit is not a fraud - nor is Yeshua... The fraud perpetuated was what folks DID with it.

Jews go by the Torah because they were given the Torah at Sinai.

No, The Jews destroy Torah by way of their traditions - Just as the Christians do after them.

You don't accept the "old testament" because you received it from G-d.

Anyone who accepts Torah receives it from God, or both you and I would be lost - That the Hebrews heard it shouted down from Sinai means nothing if those who come after cannot receive it.

You accept it only on the "authority" of the "new testament."

That would be silly. As far as the written word, the evidential authority of YHWH IS Torah. ALL that comes thereafter depends upon it - This is something you would probably admit readily, and I share your frustration in that regard. There is no authority for the Brit Hadasha without the Tanakh - and the authority of the Tanakh is the Torah. Systemically, the foundation is necessary to the following parts... That much is glaringly obvious, no?

But never mind. You won't even consider a word I've said because you "know" the "new testament" is divinely inspired by the same G-d Who gave the Torah. You have absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume this (you've just decided to do so), but that won't stop you.

The proof is in the Prophets, as always.

82 posted on 03/19/2014 8:36:32 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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