Posted on 12/31/2013 4:03:29 AM PST by markomalley
.45 Long Colt:
No, you really don’t know. Vicar, as was stated earlier is a person who takes the place of authority and acts in on behalf of another. Thus each Bishop, in some sense, is a Vicar, in that they have the authority to shepherd the diocese in the name of Christ. This authority comes from Christ himself. Every diocese has a Vicar General, who is a priest who has authority to act on behalf of his bishop on certain matters, usually a Vicar General handles the re-assignment of priests to parishes after a certain term. For example, in my Diocese, a Priest can only serve as a Pastor of a parish for no more than 12 years, then he must go to another parish.
What hubris. You don’t know what I know.
Now this truly surprises me. I thought you believed the Holy Spirit is God. Do you not?
Just to clarify: So you do, or you don’t believe in the Incarnation and the Trinity?
Happy New Year, you two!
.45 Long Colt:
On most things you are correct. I don’t know what you know, but based on your post, I know you don’t know what vicar means and how it is applied in Catholic Theology. That I do know.
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Dear Mrs. Don-o, the birth of the savior is the central event of all human history.
But what are you trying to make of the “trinity?”
What is the particular facet that intrigues you so?
There is not one single word in the scriptures that tells us to make this an issue; some things just ‘are.’
When the Spirit acts it is always in the stead of the Father to the glory of the Son, while when the Son acts it is always to the glory of the Father.
>> “Vicar, as was stated earlier is a person who takes the place of authority and acts in on behalf of another. Thus each Bishop, in some sense, is a Vicar, in that they have the authority to shepherd the diocese in the name of Christ.” <<
Garbage!
That idea is completely contrary to scripture. There is no ‘vicar’ on Earth. Our vicar is at the right hand of the Father acting in our behalf. We have no intermediary, for we speak in the name of Yeshua directly to the Father, and can speak to no one else in this sense, nor can we speak for anyone else.
Of course the Holy Spirit is one of the three persons of the trinity and, according to Scripture, each has a distinct role. I would suggest you read Dr. James White’s book “The Forgotten Trinity” and “Who is the Holy Spirit?” by Dr. Sinclair Ferguson for excellent modern treatments on this topic. Neither book is about Catholicism per se, but once you study what the Bible actually teaches you will come to clearly understand that popes twist Scripture to claim honors, powers, and duties rightfully belonging to the Godhead.
I would just want to add that by grace we come to share in the nature of God (2 Peter 1:4). Characteristics which to Him are original, eternal, sovereign, and perfect, are now in us though derivative, limited, subordinate and imperfect. Impelled by grace, we move toward that perfection which Christ requires: "Be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matthew 5:48).
So if any honors, powers and duties are claimed for human persons in absolute sense, that is blasphemy and idolatry. (Agree?) But if they are claimed in a submissive manner, and in obedience to the Divine command, that is part of our sonship. We are children of God now; what we shall later be has not yet been revealed.
I think we probably agree on that. It would just be a matter of sorting out what's what.
Happy New Year, .45 Long Colt!
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It's the Trinity that made me.
Happy New Year, editor-surveyor!!
Elohim made you.
Are you trying to rename Elohim?
Responding to catholic sophistries can be an endless pursuit :o)
I don't name Him. He names me.
Trinity is a presumptuous human made term, and nothing more.
Elohim is not his name, it is his characteristic. Yehova, or Yah, is his commanded name forever.
Exodus 3:
[14] And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
[15] And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHVH, God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
This is in honor of His characteristics.
So, do you think that Trinity is a characteristic of Yah?
The trinity is a characteristic of Satan’s influence on weak ‘christians.’ Nowhere is it in the word.
So, can people who believe in the Trinity be saved?
What’s to believe in?
Is there a sacred text of Trinitianism that we can turn to to find the answer?
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