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To: Steelfish
Apparently all the proof in the world isn’t enough for you.

Seeing as you offered zero that address the issue, then i am still waiting.

You appeared to confuse the teachings of the Magisterium with Papal infallibility

It is you who are confused, as the issue that of the premise that "Christ promised infallibility to the true Church" (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm), and your basis for assurance that it is, and if Scripture, ..and how you arrive at that from the Great Commission. Neither explaining what i already know about papal infallibility or verbose posting about the CFs on the RP, nor rants about heretical Prots, addreses that issue, but avoid it.

Why will not not answer my fundamental questions. you have about a week already. How can there be exchange on what Truth is unless you make it clear what your basis for assurance really is? And if Scripture, then you can attempt to explain how ou extrapolate your conclusions out of the text, and if it is not Scripture, but the church with its premise of infallibility, then me you can try to answer my question as to where in Scripture such is absolutely necessary to establish writing's as Scripture, and for assurance of Truth.

More diversionary rants simply testifies to you not being able to answer these fundamental questions, and after your last one here will be ignored.

ou find yourself unable to say which of 35,000 assortment of Protestant “teachings” we must accept, how? and why? That is simply a lie, as bedsides the specious 35k denominations charge, i nowhere said i could not show you which truths were essential for salvation, and instead i substantiated that those most committed to Scripture being supreme as the wholly infallible Word of God are more unified in core truths and moral views than Catholics. And that what a church believes is not determined but what its say, but it does and conveys. (Ja. 2:18)

Meanwhile, you seem to be ignorant that in your own church there exists a "hierarchy of truths," (CCC 90), and in non-infallible teachings there can be a varying allowance for dissent depending on what level of the magisterium they fall under, but under your model for determining Truth you cannot even tell me how many -infallible teachings there are, or what level each teaching falls under.

They also all can be subject to some interpretation, and in which there is disagreement (such as canon 915), as you have no infallible interpreter of your infallible interpreter.

In addition, within the parameters of RC teaching, RCs have a great deal of liberty to interpret the Scriptures in order to support Rome, which is a great deal of liberty.

So like the Tammy Faye Bakers; Joel Osteens; Schullers; Swaggarts; Billy Grahams; Jeremiah Wrights, Jim Jones... The rest of your mere assertions, logical fallacies, and false premises, are simply a rant substituting for an actual argument, and as such it indicts you as having no viable one, and instead is another argument against becoming a RC.

You thus have further warranted being marginalized, along with certain other Roman ranters, which did not take you long, You can get back to me when you can answer my fundamental questions asked a week ago and today. More spitballs will be ignored.

148 posted on 01/07/2014 11:28:26 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Perhaps it all went over your head: All the accounts on scripture, tradition, and revelation. All the authorities cited by the early Church fathers on the Eucharist. All what they indeed believed to be true as did Aquinas and Augustine. All the sheer absurdity that flows from the heresy of the myriad brands of Protestantism have been conveniently ignored as not being proof enough for you. Yet this was all good enough for Henry Newman and Richard Neuhaus and countless others.

And now when the ridiculous nature of your argument is exposed as to how you may as well open up your own “Protestant” church and follow an Al Sharpton; Jeremiah Wright; David Koresh; Joel Osteen; or a Robert Schuller or Billy Graham; or simply chart your own (Daniel 1212) doctrine, you have no clue by way of a response and indeed it is unanswerable, except to brand them all as “rants.” How convenient but yet so typical of low-information Christian adherents to whatever flavoring of Protestantism they choose to believe in.


149 posted on 01/07/2014 2:14:12 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: daniel1212

155 posted on 01/07/2014 6:15:14 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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